Bender

Assuming you are using a vBulletin board, the hack we are using allows video code from tons of sites instead of just YouTube, you can find it @ AME - Auto Media Embedding (youtube, Amazon, google, myspace, etc...) - vBulletin.org Forum , you may have to play with the code a bit to get it running right.
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webDressing

Nope, that's not real fact. Those sites are all funded by the big oil companies, etc.. it's the same BS that the big tobacco companies tried to pull when they claimed that cancer was safe

Correct. No one can do "Gods work" simply because no one knows what God wants, if anything. We are less than ants to him, in a Universe that makes Earth smaller than the size of a grain of sand. It's really arrogant to believe that God would care more about communicating with us than anything else on his universal agenda. This arrogance is at the heart of most religions, and why a lot of people are turned off by religions in general.

Yep, one thing is for sure, they are all man made and serve only mans needs.

First of all I'm not a "religion hater'. Secondly I never said that ONLY religions caused wars. Of course not, but the majority of deaths from the various wars started because of religions. Well, maybe it's not the religions fault per se, maybe it's more specifically the ignorance and narrow-mindedness that the religions promote.

Your words, not mine


Oh I don't know, maybe it's because atheist inherently don't have groups

Not true. I've known many atheist who have donated a lot of time and money for such things. I think you are just being prejudiced. Just because someone has a different belief system than you doesn't mean that they are immune from helping others. You have no patent on that area. The fact that an atheist does not believe in “God” does not indicate that they do not have a commitment to the well being of other people. All of the the atheistic people I know are educators and artists, healers and and scientists who develop new systems that benefit people people all around the world. They are, if anything, more firmly invested in benefitting humanity as a whole than the religious folks that I know who are more selective about who benefits from their efforts.

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webDressing

THANK YOU for the link Bender, I truely appreciate it

And it's made by my favorite coder, The Geek Hopefully I'll be updating all of our forums to 3.6.8 this week, so I'll be installing it on all of them at that time as soon as I finish writing the new hacks that I'm currently working on.

Thanks again!

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snafu

conjecture once again loss of facts.

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snafu

Your so full of **** but I'm glad to have you aboard. It sure dose make it interesting seeing how the other half think.

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timesjoke

Now the big man starts to backpeddle, how about how some schools had to show disclaimers before letting the kids see the movie?

Why is it facts that prove you worng are a conspiracy?

Your losing credibility fast.

Now who is spouting assumptions?

Your wrong of course but it is very interesting to watch the hoops of wacko logic you guys try to go through in your attacks on religion.

We can know what God wants, he speaks to us all the time, when we do wrong we feel it, even hardoned criminals have spoken about the drive to confess, the feelings of depression and guilt associated with their actions. It gets more complicated than that but trying to keep it simple for you, this goes back to good and bad being standards, you don't have to call it God, but there is a flow to our existance that cannot be explained with science.

To a certain extent I will agree with you, God made man, man made the many religions in his attempt to define and worship God, but man has never done anything in a perfect way, we mess up everything.

Your own attempts to describe God as having better things to do than worry about us is your attempt to come to grips with the concept of God, but he still exists despite our failures to understand or define him.

So your not a religion hater but then you say religion promotes ignorance and narrow-mindedness, right.

Your a religion hater to be sure, in action if not by admission but your feble attempt to dodge my point about much greater killings done by Athiests will not work.

Athiests have killed many more in their attempts to subject their beliefs on others then religious followers have. The salem witch hunts, the crusades, all the supposed "religious" wars account for less then a million people, while athiests have credit for over 100 million.



As I said, selfish.

Empty claim.

There is not one athiest group doing anything but selfish religion bashing in the world.

The ACLU is a prime example, spending all that time chasing down prayer in schools but not one guy willing to bring a hot meal to the needy.

I live the life of helping people, our church runs two orphanages in poor Countries, I have never seen one athiest help anyone in my life, I have never heard of one group of athiests going to Darfur to assist those that need help, but I always hear about religious people doing these things.



This is the third time I will point out that while you try to point out bad things about religion, you refuse to give credit to the good things religion does that nobody else will do.

America was founded and made great on religious principles, every law has it's base in religion. Every successful society has a standard of a common belief structure at it's core and many of the failures such as the fall of Rome is clearly connceted to their attempted change in the common belief structure that held that society together.


Even Richard Dawkins (the current "pope" of the athiest movement) grudgingly admits that religion is a moderating factor for society.


I have no problem with Athiests, I am just wondering why everyone else must change to make them happy? Why not forge your own society, create your own structure instead of tearing down ours.

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Not at all, I see it everyday. Of course a person would need to be open-minded to spot it. I did a quick google and found this atheist charity. You would have found them too snafu, as I'm sure google would work just as good for you snafu as it did for us, if you weren't so close-minded and took the initiative to just try

If you were open-minded about such things then you would have learned that both Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, who have each individually made the two largest charitable donations in American history, are both atheist (oops, bet that's gotta kill your argument, huh?) and they can rightly claim credit for spurring many other ultra-rich to also be charitable.

Ted Turner, the multi-billionaire, has also donated millions to others, and guess what snafu, he's an atheist too!

George Soros, also a multi-billionaire, financier and philanthropist, has also donated millions and is also an atheist. The list goes on and on. There are literally hundreds more. You just don't hear about them because they tend to do these things quietly, and not with a lot of religious fanfare.

How's that for facts snafu? That good enough for you? Didn't mean to wake you up

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timesjoke

A web page hardly means anything, you could have just made the darn thing.


They have no offices, no deeds, no actions and have never sent a relief group to war torn places like Darfur, no there are no athiest groups wo do anything.


And a multi billionare giving a few million to charity is like a penny from you and me but what you should have taken the time to research is who the money went to, religious based groups becasue they are the only ones "doing" what needs to be done, so even if an Athiest does donate, he must donate to religious people because their the only "troops" on the ground.

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snafu

I guess I shouldn't have harped on the fact issue. But if your going to debate, know that it's you opinion aganist who ever disagrees with you. It's all conjector. Even your google check against mine.



I have a personal relationship with god. I don't believe in miracles. So he can't stop greed or coruption. I don't believe Jesus was resurrected.
But I do know there is a god.

Fact: you can't prove me wrong.

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snafu

Oh and your preaching to the wrong person here. I agree that atheist can do good things. My dad is atheist and I swear he's the kindest, nicest person on the planet. I also agree that more people have died in the name of a god than any other reason. BUT that's man ****ing up. Not Gods.

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