webDressing

Interesting how you'd call them 'disclamers' when that's really not what they were at all Typical of your fact twisting timesjoke.

The judge that ruled on that said the film could be shown in its entirety as long as updated guidelines were followed. Not including those 9 updates would have simply violated the 1996 Education Act, it had nothing to do with the FACTS in the movie as a whole! Many of those 'updates' had to do with subjects NOT regarding if climate warming was real of not, they had to do with things like if polar bears were drowning.

Get your facts straight OK timesjoke, it's really a hassle having to correct you all of the time.

Well you've yet to display any such 'facts' so I can't comment.

Really? Just out of curiosity is it a mans voice or a womans? How convenient that he only 'talks to you' and not to the entire world huh?...

Yes there is. Too bad for you it doesn't have anything to do with man made religion.

Not really. It was more of those primitive people just trying to understand what was happening around them. Can't blame them for that.

No argument there

Nope. Some things are unexplainable, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.

Correct, it does. Just depends on what dogma they're trying to promote.

LOL!!! Thanks, I needed that

Oh look! You did it again

Not a fan of theirs so I can't help you there.

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webDressing

So do I.

Maybe you've seen them, and just didn't know that they were atheist

That's because no such thing exist.

For example; I've heard many accounts about how when some people first got married back in the 1970s, that catholic charities wouldn't help them out because they were not "good, church-going catholics." Basically because they didn't go to church every week (and put in their money filled envelope) the Church didn't consider them worthy of help.

You see, it isn't because religion makes people morally better than atheism. Rather, it would be because churches often organize charitable activities and encourage their members to participate, while atheists, simply have no comparable social structure. It's not that churchgoers have a superior moral sentiment, just that because of their increased social structure they naturally have increased opportunity.

I'll go you one better ... the entire school system was founded for the sole purpose of having a place where people could teach children how to read - the bible.

I don't think they necessarily feel that you have to. The same however could be said about religions.

Excuse me... OURS? Are you suggesting that something in society inherently belongs to you just because you have a religion?

No, I told you, I don't believe in anything but the facts. If you want to convince me of anything you have to show me facts to back up your claim(s). I couldn't care less what opinions are thrown out on the table. When you form an opinion without the facts, you are starting to build a prejudice.

Why would I want to prove you wrong? I agree 110% with you

Hmm... weird... again I agree 110% OK where is snafu, and what have you done to him?

timesjoke

I just gave you a link where science is used to prove the entire movie is completely bogus.

You didged those facts by claiming their biased but you failed to do two things.

1- You have not proven they were biased with anything more than your empty words. If yu cannot back up your claim of bias, don't make the claim.

2- You have not disproved the science that proved the movie wrong. All of the science used is clearly defined and step by step process is used to prove that there is no significant global warming caused by man. You keep asking for proof, I gave you proof, so now put up or shut up.

Neither, as I keep saying, it is a feeling that is in all of us, even hardoned criminals feel the pressure to confess their sins, the natural flow of right and wrong is offered to all of our hearts.

We decide to listen or not.

Sure it does, just not to the specifics they attempted to define it. This is common for man to fill in the blanks of things they don't understand with their own desires. The same way your fiiling in the blanks with your intolerance for religion.

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Not really. It was more of those primitive people just trying to understand what was happening around them. Can't blame them for that.


Nice dodge trying to again avoid admitting your proven wrong.

Yep, I will keep proving you wrong as long as you are.


The ACLU once did great things but the last several years has turned them into an anti-religion group, they tear away at religion every chance they get.


How many hot meals did you deliver this week?

Helping people is more then sitting in your chair talking. It is action, real action.

Nope, I know an athiest when I see them in action.

No athiest has ever been involved in public service without getting paid that I have ever seen.

What the heck are you trying to claim now?

Again you resort to tearing down what you cnnot stand up to in comparison. You lack the desire to help others so you refuse to admit others are willing to do what you refuse to do.

Religion does help people in ways the government never will, but here wee the prime example of how an Athiest will deny any good done by religion at any cost to preserve his own feeling of superiority.

And that is intollerance.


You heard?

You cannot prove anything so you just defame religion in the hopes to discout the good done right?

And your best example is from the 1970's?

You must reach back almost 40 years to have an example of unfair charity?

Let me give you some proof of good things done in the name of religion:
ORPHANAGE Free Link Page

Here is a listing of the religious based orphanages run all over the world.

This is just one area where religion is doing very well to try and provide care not possible without us, why is it impossible for someone like you to give credit for these actions?


So athiests are not social people?

So I am correct in my assessment they are more concerned with themselves than society or community right?

Don't believe everything your hate sites are preaching.

How so?

Only Athiests want to change everything to suit them.

No, because we did the work to build the society. Selfish athiests have done nothing to help build this Nation into it's strong possition it is in today. But it is actively working to tear it apart.

Like your refusing to address the facts disproving the greenhouse claims?

You talk about how you only care about facts but you never post anything but your opinions and call them facts.

When someone uses facts against you, you say the facts are not fair or just ignore them because you would have to admit your wrong and your self-important attirude would be damaged if you had to admit that right?


Tackle the proof against global warming and maybe I will give you a tad bit of credibility but if al you can do is dodge the facts, you have not even a grain of sands worth of credibility in my book.

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I agree with a lot of this. Religion does not make you a better person. Many Atheists are nice people. Religion is a business like any other. That puts theists in the same group as used car salesmen, mortgage lenders, politicians and many other unsavoury types.

Often they are seen as harmless, but look again, this time more closely. All the worlds major tyrants were theists: Hitler,Stalin, Ma Tse Tung, Pol Pot etc.

But dont believe for a moment hat its al in the past. They are very active in the present. In most schools they are peddling their intolerant drivel to our children. It should be outlawed, however the theists have such a grip that this will take years to acheive.

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jhony5

Yes, many are. The issue that TJ is trying to get across is that when atheist band together to accomplish a goal, it is always to tear down, not to build up. They attack the mystery of life and try to replace it with mundane scientific cause. Roadside memorials are attacked as religious symbols. Charitable Christian efforts are attacked as if they were merely greedy religious indoctrination attempts.

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sheik-yerbouti

Agreed IWS, there is no way to prove it either way. So lets just do what they do in a court of law, we'll use circumstantial evidence, or whatever you like to call it.

Facts:
1/God will not show up if challenged.
2/ No one has ever seen a miracle from these holy Joes, even though the world is full of them.
3/This faerie who loves you all so dearly does **** all, while rapes, murders, famines , wars and all sorts of heinous things occur

Probability: The sky faeries theory is complete bull****

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sheik-yerbouti

I think web was just showing you that you were wrong again TJ, remember just a little way back? when you sais Atheists were selfish, thats clearly not the case

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timesjoke

How is this proof I am wrong?

Do you believe the big donation was without a tax consideration?

Making a sacrifice to assist others is charity, paying money to get a tax writeoff is not charity.


He still has not proven a single athiest has ever directly assisted people in the way religious people have. I can provide millions of example of how religious people give their own time, their money (without tax breaks), they truly want to help people because it the right thing to do.


He has also openly stated ahtisets are not social the way religious people are so again, this supports my possition that an athiest is the definition of selfish.


He has still never answered why athiests always want to destroy religion, even your intollerant comment about sky faeries and such is insulting and rude but you see nothing wrong with being intollerant.



If you find yourself making excuses for why athiests are selfish, and ignoring the good works religion does just to attack it, that should be a clue your wrong.


But again, I fully support your right to believe what you want, I just wish you could keep your intollerance to yourself, not call me and others names and put us down just because you don't believe what we believe.



Sure, I have made comments about athiests and I am still waiting for proof I am wrong, he and you are still posting empty words while I have posted proof that religious people do good things like run orphanages while you can offer not one piece of evidence that an athiest has ever directly assisted anyone in the same way, much less to the same degree that would be a comparison "after" you could produce some evidence of an athiest doing this.

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sheik-yerbouti

You said that Atheists were selfish. The proof has been given by webs reply. He cites several Atheists giving huge sums of money to charity. Clearly these Atheists are not selfish people. There may be a tax concession, but this is true also for Theist contributions to charities.

Dont expect to ignore Atheist contributions, while patting heists on the back. It works both ways TJ

He just did prove it !!!!


No. He said the Atheists do not have the social network to act in a way a big organisation like Christians can. We are not held together by our belief as your group is


No they dont. I do not want to destroy religion. I only ask that you stop brainwashing children with your silly beliefs



I do not ignore the good work done by Theists. Any charitable good work is good work.


I have never called you or others names that I can recall. And I am certainly not intolerant of you or your cause. I jus disagree with it.



You are just being silly here. Wh do you think puts money into Christian charity boxes ? The general public thats who ! The money is not raised exclusively by Christians and you know that !

They collect in supermarkets, malls, shopping centres etc and are forever pushing little envelopes through peoples doors

Stop trying to hijack the charity of the general public, like it was all the work of your group

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timesjoke

I cannot believe you don't understand the concept of how big money people use these large donation to "make" money.


If I give you a dollar from my posket to help you buy a meal, that is charity, if a multibillion dollar person gives you a dollar, it is because he is making two dollars in return, that is not charity. It falls to what the intent to give the money is.


Charity is in the heart, not in the wallet.


No he did not, but even if he did, yes the contribution "looks" good, but accounts for nothing compared to the overall contributions given by all religious people for social programs, and these contributions come from people who could use that money to improve their own lives, the money given buy the rich to get tax breaks cannot improve their lives, it is meaningless to them, and has no significant meaning to them to give it.



And that means you cannot pool your resources to assist others, your attitude is the self, not others.


First of all, it is not brainwashing, you using desparaging remarks to describe those who follow religious beliefs is. It is like the racist that calls black people the "N" word. Children can learn intollerance from hearing the intollerant adults like you speak.



I was specifically talking about things like the movie he said was good. These things concentrate on focusing down on some real things, adding in completely false things, and presenting it all without balancing it with the reality that only religious people do things like help in Darfur, or deliver hot meals to the needy.



If you use a general term in a negative way to describe all religious people, and you know I am religious, then you are calling me names.






Most charity boxes in stores are not real charities, less then 10% of those donations ever make it to real charities, most of the money goes in the pockets of those running the scams.

Most charity donations come from Christians, ad to that the workers actually doing the work are all Christians, and you start to see who really cares about helping society. Charity is inherently a Christian concept. As you guys already said, your not social, so you don't feel the connection to society the way religious people do.


The few times you see real charity collectors is the salvation army for example. The person ringing the bell is Christian, the group is run by Christians, the people doing the managing and supply are Christians, the final distribution is handles by Christians........



Do you see a pattern forming?

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