webDressing

Yep. good point sheik-yerbouti The vatican even has it's own bank, and guess what... it's not for helping people

There are good and bad on both sides. The only thing that's ridiculous is for churchgoers to claim that only religions truly donate to charities. That is the height of ignorance and stupidity. There is nothing inherent in religions that make them any better than anyone else.

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timesjoke

Interesting that we can prove we help others while all you can do is "say" you help others, interesting...........


What was that you keep saying about offering proof?


Seems like you keep comming up without proof, speaking of that, why do you refuse to answer specific questions posed you?

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It's a little thing that open-minded/educated people call facts. Here's a link for your consideration. Pack a lunch

Do you believe that religious groups are taxed? It must be nice to be so narrow-minded timesjoke. You see ONLY what you want to see. Weird.

Don't take this the wrong way but I can't stand ignorance. I'm not talking about people that simply don't know this or that fact... I'm talking about people like you timesjoke that go out of their way to BLOCK the truth or the facts, just so that "their" point of view looks good to them. So, knowing ahead of time that you are completely closed-minded and immune from admitting the facts - the rest of this post will not be intended for you. It will be for those who want to know the truth, and learn the facts.

What timesjoke doesn't want you to know, is that there are countless amounts of people who are atheist that donate from the heart. They do not 'band together' into groups like religions do, and they do not advertise their charitable works like regions do, but they donate from the heart just the same. Here is a partial list of many such individuals who just happen to also be atheist. But it goes MUCH further than that though. There are a few organizations formed by atheists for the sole purpose of donating to those in need. One such organization is called S.H.A.R.E. - Secular Humanist Aid and Relief Effort. Here is a recent story about them helping those in need. So, when someone like timesjoke tries to convince you that 'only religions' donate or help those in need, you will now know that it's simply not true, and that people from all beliefs, even those that don't believe in God, help others in need and donate from their hearts, because they know it's the right thing to do for their fellow man in need.

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OK timesjoke you can continue reading the rest of this thread, but please stop whining. It's starting to make you look like the 'Joker' from the Batman series...

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timesjoke

And yet you have not offered any facts yet, sure you toss around a lot of speculation but up to now, I am the only one out of the two uf us that has provided links with proof to back up what I have to say, while all you have is insults and derogatory remarks for anyone who does not swallow your empty words as facts.


Blind to what?

What proof have you offered?

Nothing but empty words, that is all you have, must be nice to just make up stuff and claim it is fact in your own mind but the rest of us require a tad more then that.


As far as the church being taxed, no, do you have any idea why? Because the money they have is donations from the religious people who already paid taxes on it, that's why. It is not a business, it is a community service, the only services helping much of the needy that the government refuses to see or help, and we know athiests won't help.


The money I work hard to earn is already heavily taxed, if I want to use some of my money to help others, the government should not be taxing it again. How this differs with the rich person is their only motivation to help someone is the tax break, not to help people.

Please try to pay attention because I havce already covered this, charity is in the mind and heart, not in the wallet.


Did you even look at the link I offered?

How many orphanages do athiests run?

What have I blocked?

What fact have I avoided?

Empty words?

There is your problem, you talk of facts but offer not even one fact for consideration.

Don't get upset at me for pointing out how everythign you say is without foundation or supporting information.

More personal attacks I see, grow up.


Let's look at your empty claims again for a second, I will pick out one of your posted groups at random and check it out:

S.H.A.R.E.

They talk about what they stand for, and claim to have donated to assist the Katrina disaster, but how much?

What did they actually do?

Who did they give the money to?

Did they go to the site and directly give help or did they leave that to the Christians willing to get a little dirty to help people?

No, still nothing to show real charity, if anythign you can show a little cash donations, but as I already showed, "true" charity is in the heart, not the wallet.

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I have posted plenty or rock solid facts. YOU can't acknowledge any of them because that would mean that you would have to admit that your precious religion told you lies. OH NOES, NOT THAT!!!!11!!

Complete and utter Bulls***! You are either medically blind, delusional, or in denial. Actually you meet all of the criteria for being in clinical denial, so maybe that's a given. And in case you're going to whine about that being an insult of any kind, I would be more than happy to prove, with FACTS, just how clinically you meet all of the criteria for being in denial. Would you like me to share them with everybody here? Didn't think so...

Anything other than what your 'precious religion' has crammed down your throat, probably since childhood. Did 'mommy and daddy' yell at you when you questioned their religion? Hey, I can understand how afraid that would have made you. When you're a child - a parent is like a giant that's four times taller than you and they make all the rules, so you have to play along. BUT NOW you are (hopefully) an adult, and there is NO excuse for you not to question what you were forced to believe as a child, or anywhere else for that matter. Most people call this a fact of growing up. That is, most people that have a backbone and aren't afraid to seek the truth. The best part is that you can start questioning what you were forced to believe right now. It's not too late, not even for you timesjoke, that is of course, if you actually are interested in learning the truth...

It DOESN'T MATTER why Every organization has an excuse why they shouldn't pay taxes. The FACT of the matter is that you were whining that "those atheist" donate for tax relief, and yet YOUR CHURCH DOES THE SAME EXACT THING! Imagine that... That's gotta hurt huh timesjoke? Bet you wish that I couldn't honestly say that about your precious church, but I can! That - in and of itself - should tell you something about how much in denial you truly are. BTW- I don't know anyone, including you, that wouldn't like or accept a little tax relief if we could all get it. So if the law allows people to get some then that's fine. The MAIN thing is that these people are HELPING THOSE IN NEED! They get a small tax relief like your church, you get whining rights that you feed the hungry, so what, it's all the same. People help for different reasons. Quite frankly I don't care what their reasons are, and I'm sure God doesn't either. I'm just glad that they ARE helping

And being that - YOU have no right to assume that any of those atheist, or anyone else for that matter, hasn't donated from their heart! Unless of course you are now claiming that you can read peoples minds

The unvarnished truth.

Those not pre-approved by your religion.

BTW- I know you probably feel like I'm picking on you. I'M NOT! Just think of it as 'tough love' Besides, this isn't as much for you as it is for others here who want to learn both sides of the story, and who want to learn the truth of the matter. Where the church does good I am thankful. Where the atheist do good I am thankful. If you are so petty that you have to bash those that genuinely try to help others, then that says a lot about you, don't you think?

Have a nice day, hopefully one where people in need are being helped.

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timesjoke

You have not posted even one fact, everything you have posted is conjecture and unsupported opinions.

I am still waiting on your reply to my questions about disproving the global warming garbage. I posted a link that clearly and decisively proved that Al Gore is full of beans and your rebuttal is to say you don't like their facts so you discount them.


You don't offer one piece of proof to prove their biased, you don't disprove their posted math, you don;t have anything but empty words.

Give up on the personal attack, they are the tool of the mentally weak, every time you resort to these childish tactics, all you do is prove yourself to be more and more intollerant.

Blind to smokescreens maybe, but nothing else. You have never offered even one single piece of proof to show that one athiest has ever directly assisted one needy person in any way other than to show that some rich guys have given money to get tax breaks that paid them back.

More childish personal attacks.

You feel you must attack my parents, my integrity, and my faith out of your intollerance, this is the typical self-absorbed of every athiest out there, glad to know they have you well programmed, Richard Dawkins would be proud.


Too bad your crowd always seems to be educated and well spoken as long as everyone is agreeing with you, the second anyone calls you on your garbage and lack of proof, you turn to your hatred and personal attacks.

All you can show is where some groups "say" they have donated but I cannot even see proof they have given one thin dime, much less the billions religious people have donated in just the last quarter last year in America.


Look, it was you who admitted that athiest followers were not sociel people, that is why you don't feel helping others is important. So, you try to discount the real great work religious people do for society.

Even if a few athiest people do donate some money, it is the religious people that made the groups and do the real work on the ground, they care much more for society then anyone else.

You claim the ability to look into the hearts and minds of religious people and say their all bad right?

All I can see is a lot of athiests all trying to tear down the only thing that made America possible, religion. The thread that held this Nation together and made freedom possible. Again, I have no problem with your kind, I just wish you would stop trying to destroy what made your life possible.

Your words are not the truth, I need more than your empty words to believe things.

Come back with some "provable" facts and we can talk but at this point, your no better then the 9/11 conspiracy wackos, all claiming they bring the "truth" but cannot give anything to back them up.

At least I can provide real and hard proof of the direct assistance religion has given, and is still giving to society, you have nothign except empty words and intollerance to offer.

Your right, everyone can see that I post proof while you have nothing but hatred. If your side lives by hatred nd intollerance, then what is the point?


If their being helped, it is a religious person doing the helping, the Athiests are off tearing down nativity displays.

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Only a fundamentalist would reply like that. Thank you for proving my point...

Currently gathering them, and when we are finished gathering them we will be more than happy to bury you with them. I know you don't know this BUT research takes time to gather, and I have a foundation to run and other daily matters to attend, and quite frankly, responding to some fundamentalist psychobabble nonsense is not high on the list. But they are coming, I assure you of that, I wouldn't miss revealing how ignorant you are for anything in the world

You posted PROPAGANDA funded by the big oil companies. The only thing decisive about it was that it was comical.

Oh look... a lie, surrounded by your own personal attack. Weird.

Guess what... we don't resort to such methods. If you walk like a duck and sound like a duck and we call you a duck, then that's NOT a 'personal attack' or an 'insult' - that's just exposing and airing the TRUTH about you! If you don't like the picture that's being painted, then maybe you should do a little soul searching and change the way that you are on the inside, and then honest people won't be able to say those things about you. Didn't you ever learn this lesson from watching the movie "A Christmas Carol"?


See, HERE'S a PERFECT EXAMPLE... You are sooo off base and so delusional that you can't even get the fact that I'M NOT an atheist right. LOL I guess that's what happens when a person is so PREJUDICED like you are huh timesjoke? Here's a clue; skinheads can only see one thing too. In-fact every prejudiced person is limited to seeing the world in only one way, so why should YOUR PREJUDICE be any different, right timesjoke?

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No big surprise there. You can't see anything BUT what your religion tells you to see. Boy, you walked right into that one...

Don't be a bonehead, my organization was founded PRECISELY to help people in need. Just because I don't come here to advertise it doesn't mean that you hold the patent on helping.

UNlike you however, I try to help others as anonymously as possible, where as you have to remind others here that you "feed the poor" in every other post, to the point of being obnoxious. Oops... looks like YOU'RE getting something out of all of that "self-advertisement" huh timesjoke? Go ahead, say something else self-righteous, dig your hole a little deeper

Wow... change - the cause - and that almost sounds like a quote from hitler or the KKK. Seriously, you need professional help before you start hurting people.

See above.

Example;
All I can see is a lot of Jews all trying to tear down the only thing that made our country possible - hitler

All I can see is a lot of infidels all trying to tear down the only thing that made our country possible - terrorist

All I can see is a lot of blacks all trying to tear down the only thing that made America possible - KKK

All I can see is a lot of atheists all trying to tear down the only thing that made America possible - timesjoke

Another statement that is a BIG sign of prejudice. You're on a roll, you go girl...


Well you didn't need anthing else when you blindly accepted what your religion sold you, so why change now?

More prejudice... straight from the horses mouth. You're a perfect example of why God doesn't need religions.

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I don’t know why you bother with him TJ. He’ll just keep going around in circles, making no sense what so ever.

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webDressing

LOL You right wing fundamentalist are really something else, but then again someone suffering from Anorexia can't see how thin they are, even when they look in a mirror... so why should anyone be surprised that a right winged fundamentalist can't see how ignorant and prejudiced they really are?


While doing some research I did find this article that seems to be talking about timesjoke;

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