timesjoke

Again, as I keep saying over and over, charity is not in the wallet, it is in the intent.


No it does not, your trying to make the massive amounts of assistance given to society, and even the whole world by religious groups sound the same as tossing a dollar into a jar on the counter at your local 7-11, and your dead wrong.

Only religious people do anything real to help others, this is fact.




I agree, maybe you should get some rest so your not so jumbled.

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Just like the largest genocide ever done was by Athiest leaders.



No, you talk of brainwashing and stuff all the time too. You offer up anyone who believes in religion as bad and attack them if they dare to assert themselves.

Your intollerant, I have never called you names but you try to say I'm ignorant, stupid, blind, anything you can think of to put me down, but you cannot offer even one shread of proof to show an Athiest giving aid in places like Darfur, and that is your problem.


Athiest followers cannot show themselves to be good, so they try to bring down the good done by religion, your a textbook case of how athiests are tearing away at the fabric of society.


I have yet to see any real proof that the average athiest has ever donated to anything, sure, I will admit there are some rich ones doing it for tax breaks, but you still cannot offer anything but empty words, to speak for the "average" athiest follower.


Is that so?

And who do you think the "general public" is anyway?

Most studies show between 80 and 90% of America are religious to some degree. Add to that the average Athiest truly hates anything to do with religion (as your own attacks here clearly proves) so I would find it difficult to believe anyone would give money to things (like a begging bowl) they hate because that would promote the religious group, two and two together tells me that it is very unlikely that any of the donations from the "general public" are from athiests.

Charity of the kind we are discussing is, how many hindu or budda orphanages can you name around the world?

How many atheist run orphanages can you name?


Web said it, was he wrong?


Covered above, the "general public" is mostly religious, the athiests hate anything to do with religion and are trying to abolish religion anywhere they can, why would they then help finance religion?

You said it yourself, you called them "begging bowls", that is clear contempt for the collection, why would anyone give to something they have such contempt for?

That does not compute, lol.




You keep talking about what is real or fact but you offer nothing to support your claims about the average athiest helping others. Sure, I can admit that there is always an exception to every rule, and I am sure there are a few athiests that do not attack religion the way you do, but what I am speaking on is the "average" example of our two groups.

On average, religious people tend to care about other people, we give to our community while I have never heard of a single athiest helping anyone in my community. In fact, while I offer my own experiences, you guys don't have any examples to offer of your own.



Instead of putting so much effort into lashing out against religion, why not join forces with us and attack some real problems in the world, and even in our own back yards. I deliver hot meals every other week because I feel the personal touch to brighten a person's day is very fullfilling.

Hands on care and concern for the community, you should give it a try.






Concerning your seperate personal attacks on me, there you go again showing your intolerance, while we both disagree, only you turn to personal attacks, like you must tear away at my character to somehow prove your point as valid. If you feel your possitions are so weak you must resort to tactics like this, maybe you should evaluate them a little closer, insecurity is the first sign you know your wrong.



I was mostly pushing Web because he came out the gates here swinging at people, calling them names and acting superior, I know there are a few like you who help a little, but your not the norm, your the exception. I know it must be irritating to see all athiests tossed into a bundle but think how I feel with you guys calling all religious believers names like brainwashed and child abuse. That movie web said was good simply trashed all religion and called all of us bad. Athiests tend to rend and tear at what we hold dear, all we want is to preserve our right our our faith.


I tossed down a challenge with Web demanding he back up his claim the report I posted was biased and paid for by oil companies to lie, we will see if he can back that claim up, if not he is simply blowing hot air.

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hugo

You are the rare exception. While not religious myself I am glad most people are, because the average atheist has traded worship of god for worship of the state.

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The poverty of the incapable, the distresses that come upon the imprudent, the starvation of the idle, and those shoulderings aside of the weak by the strong, which leave so many "in shallows and in miseries," are the decrees of a large, far-seeing benevolence.

timesjoke

Well said.

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I don't believe in the Christian God, but I would never tell anyone that they were wrong to do so. Each man is entitled to his own reality.

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Anna Perenna

I don't know any truly kind, generous, and helpful people who call themselves Christians. I wish I did, but I don't.

I do know many truly kind, generous and helpful Atheists, though.

I suppose it just depends on who you know. I guess someone on this forum doesn't know (or even know of) any nice Atheists, which is a shame for them.

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snafu

My dad was a cub scout leader. He brought many new idea's to the troop. Then when I moved into scouts he became a scout leader. The kids loved him. At home when I was a kid I would sneak away so I didn't have to do yard work but the kids in my neighborhood loved him so much they would help him just to hang around. After his second retirement Air Force then The Post Office he helped babysit my son for us. As my son grew up he volunteered at his elementary school. He went all the way through until my son moved on to middle school. He's still volunteering at the elementry school. My dad has stood beside me through my whole life, thick and thin. I would get into trouble and he would blame himself.
He dosn't believe in god. But if he's in a place where a prayer is held he will bow his head out of respect.

You can't find a better person anywhere.

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wez

My family never went to church. My grandma didn't believe in sending children to church til they were old enough to decide for themselves.. I'm one of the unbaptized minority. If I ever am, it'll be my choice.. and I don't plan on it... I guess I'll go to hell if someone in a robe doesn't pour water on my head and I swear my allegience to his/her congregation. Woe is me...

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Oh yeah.. Last year that school had a Mr Brown day. All the kids came to school wearing brown in honor of him. He was so overwhelmed.

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wez

Sounds like a great dad snaf.. I was lucky too. My dad is nice to a fault.

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God is a belief.

God is an ideal.

God may not exist.

God may exist.

I believe in God. That alone does not make it true. It only makes it true to me and those that believe.

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