does god exist - Page 9 - Just BS

wez · 01-30-2008, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by ImWithStupid

God is a belief.

God is an ideal.

God may not exist.

God may exist.

I believe in God. That alone does not make it true. It only makes it true to me and those that believe.

I too believe in God. I believe whatever the actual truth is. I just refuse to claim I know everything from the dawn of time through eternity. I'll define it as far as I can know and understand it, but no more. Like I've said many times, what I do know for certain, it's the same for every human that will have ever existed. Really, I can't, and don't need to know it any farther than that. We were born with everything we need..

snafu · 01-30-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wez

I too believe in God. I believe whatever the actual truth is. I just refuse to claim I know everything from the dawn of time through eternity. I'll define it as far as I can know and understand it, but no more. Like I've said many times, what I do know for certain, it's the same for every human that will have ever existed. Really, I can't, and don't need to know it any farther than that. We were born with everything we need..

Yeah..

I believe in God too. I just don't understand how the bible can be gospel but is able to change from time to time just to fit the congregations needs.

webDressing · 01-31-2008, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by timesjoke

I just gave you a link where science is used to prove the entire movie is completely bogus.

NO you DIDN'T!

You posted a link that goes to a site funded by Steven J. Milloy, who is known for trying to spreading his conservative or libertarian political agenda. See, I told you I would do research about your bogus website. Looks like you're busted now

You said you wanted facts, so here are the facts. I hope you brought a lot of water with you, because you're about to eat a LOT of crow

Here is the truth about Steven J. Milloy, the person that runs the website that you claim is full of "facts to debunk Al Gore"

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Steven J. Milloy is a columnist for Fox News and a paid advocate for Phillip Morris, ExxonMobil and other corporations. From the 1990s until the end of 2005, he was an adjunct scholar at the libertarian think tank the Cato Institute. Milloy runs the website Junkscience.com, which is dedicated to debunking what he alleges to be false claims regarding global warming, DDT, environmental radicalism and scare science among other topics. His other website, CSR Watch.com, is focused around attacking the corporate social responsibility movement. He is also head of the Free Enterprise Action Fund, a mutual fund he runs with tobacco executive Tom Borelli, who happens to be listed as the secretary of the Advancement of Sound Science Center, an organisation Milloy operates from his home in Potomac, Maryland.

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In January 2006, Paul D. Thacker reported in The New Republic that Milloy has received thousands of dollars in payments from the Phillip Morris company since the early nineties, and that NGOs controlled by Milloy have received large payments from ExxonMobil. A spokesperson for Fox News stated, "Fox News was unaware of Milloy's connection with Philip Morris. Any affiliation he had should have been disclosed." link

But wait, as good as that is it gets even better...

Here is the truth about the website that you base your so-called facts on:

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The Junk Science Page is not about junk science so much as it is about anything which does not support a conservative or libertarian political agenda for businesses and industries that do not like regulations that limit their ability to pollute or poison us or our environment. Milloy uses the term 'junk science' mainly as a political and polemical term. What the majority of scientists call sound science, Milloy usually calls junk science. And what he calls 'sound science', the majority of scientists usually call junk science.

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Milloy is up front about his deception, however. He describes junk science as "bad science used to further a special agenda."

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Milloy's so-called junk science page is full of misinformation and misleading claims, and makes little effort to separate science from policy claims made by scientists. He can cite articles by scientists who support his beliefs. The hundreds who come to different conclusions are attacked for their bad motives and junk methodologies. He cites articles favorably which deny a role for analogical reasoning in science (drawing inferences for humans based on animal studies). He suggests that lawyers who sue manufacturers of harmful products are bad but the manufacturers are good. He even has a favorable reference and link to a UC Berkeley Law professor who claims that in America scientists cannot criticize Darwin. In short, the Junk Science page has some valid analyses sprinkled amongst its propaganda, but overall the page is deceptive.

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But don't take my word for it. Just look at the list of scientists that Mr. Milloy considers to be junk scientists: nearly every person on his hit list has done a study with potential political implications that offend his political agenda. link

Gee timesjoke, you're really living up to your name. I told you I'd love exposing you and your lies, and your so-called "facts" really are a joke. LOL

webDressing · 01-31-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ImWithStupid

God is a belief.

God is an ideal.

God may not exist.

God may exist.

I believe in God. That alone does not make it true. It only makes it true to me and those that believe.

I agree. The ancient Aztecs used to say that "no word or sound could possibly describe God", and I think that's pretty accurate and points to why religions are such a farce.

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Originally Posted by Anna Perenna

I guess someone on this forum doesn't know (or even know of) any nice Atheists, which is a shame for them.

Yes, it is Anna, but my guess is that they did meet really nice Atheist in their life, but that they chose to ignore or block them out. There are good and bad in all sectors of life. No one 'group' has a patent on it. When people like TJ try and claim that only religious people do good they are only making themselves look stupid. Most educated people realize that there are good people all over this great planet of ours

wez · 01-31-2008, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by snafu

Yeah..

I believe in God too. I just don't understand how the bible can be gospel but is able to change from time to time just to fit the congregations needs.

That tells me more than I need to know.

wez · 01-31-2008, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by webDressing

NO
Gee timesjoke, you're really living up to your name. I told you I'd love exposing you and your lies, and your so-called "facts" really are a joke. LOL

Careful, TJ likes to freak out and claim you're him and punish you for it.

I got a 10 spot that says TJ's next post he's accusing WD of personal attacks and lies.. hahahahahaha

webDressing · 01-31-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wez

TJ likes to freak out and claim you're him and punish you for it.

Is there spanking involved?

Of course what we call 'spanking' and what a right winger calls spanking are probably two different things

wez · 01-31-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by webDressing

Is there spanking involved?

Of course what we call 'spanking' and what a right winger calls spanking are probably two different things

Spanking for TJ = banning/imprisoning/killing.

webDressing · 01-31-2008, 09:15 PM

Sadly, radicals and extremist are like that

wez · 01-31-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by webDressing

Sadly, radicals and extremist are like that

Quite true...

01-31-2008, 09:15 PM	#89
webDressing Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 39 Rep Power: 0	Re: does god exist Sadly, radicals and extremist are like that

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Originally Posted by ImWithStupid God is a belief. God is an ideal. God may not exist. God may exist. I believe in God. That alone does not make it true.