New Rules On Conduct

ImWithStupid

Super Moderator
#41
Re: New Rule On Conduct

I know that I have had given warnings and requests to change conduct to several members on this board, both in the thread and by PM. Most every time these have been replied to in an understanding way and the members responded with positive attempts to assess the issue.
 

wez

Big Time BS
#42
Re: New Rule On Conduct

eddo said:
In the way that you might get a lot of griping at first, a lot of posts reported that are frivolous, or some using the system for payback- because some won't like this- but as they get used to it, and you, it will get better.

I actually prefer things be in the open.. people have a tendency to twist things when they hide it from the defendant.. There's a reason courts are open and not done behind closed doors.. manipulation factor..


Why not an open complaint thread where all parties can respond?
 

eddo

I don't like you.
#43
Re: New Rule On Conduct

wez said:
I actually prefer things be in the open.. people have a tendency to twist things when they hide it from the defendant.. There's a reason courts are open and not done behind closed doors.. manipulation factor..
When you report a post, a post is made in the admin area and it links right to the offending post: so to the admins- it is all in the open. They can see exactly what the offended party is referring to, and can then make up their own minds.

Wez, you have never liked situations with you being handled publicly, or at least that is how you came off. You get angry, bitter, and take the "fight" all over the board- thus resolving nothing.

I, too, would rather things be held in the open, but it isn't working here.
 

Cloaked

Iron Fisted Ruler
Staff member
#44
Re: New Rule On Conduct

wez said:
I actually prefer things be in the open.. people have a tendency to twist things when they hide it from the defendant.. There's a reason courts are open and not done behind closed doors.. manipulation factor..


Why not an open complaint thread where all parties can respond?
This could easily be done. For now we'll see how the system works. If we see people reporting others for revenge, I think myself, Bender and IWS are smart enough to know when someone steps over the line or when someone is abusing the system.

If it is being used in a way not intended them the 3 of us will discus making the report forum open to registered members so the accuser and accusee can discus this i out in the open. Another possibility is allowing access to the person reporting and person being reported. The system is flexible and since we never used it before we are all learning.
 

snafu

Big Time BS'er
#45
Re: New Rule On Conduct

How about we make a fresh start. Forget everything else in the past. We all say and do things we might later want to take back but seeings how this is a typed forum it's pretty hard to do it.

What do you all say? Clean slate?
 

ImWithStupid

Super Moderator
#46
Re: New Rule On Conduct

wez said:
Nothing concerning me at the Jungle was ever held in the open.. Manipulators are the only ones that like closed doors..

For example... a complaint was made against me.. sure, I was a smartass and the admins can see the post and decide.. but did the complainant include the killer comments from themselves naming me in this post before I ever replied to it in their case file? I highly doubt it..


Here's where it becomes.. "squeaky wheel gets the grease".. I aint no squeaky wheel and don't plan on becoming one..
I know that I personally and I believe that Cloaked and Bender, follow the link to the offending post. I then go through the series of events that led up to the reported post.

Like I said if there is signs that flaming or bickering was going on by both persons, that isn't conductive to civil debate or the topic at hand, and one of the parties involved uses reporting another as a tactic to get back at another, it could result in both/all offending members receiving discipline or censure. If it is deemed to be one sided, action will be directed at the member that is determined to be the offending party.
 

wez

Big Time BS
#47
Re: New Rule On Conduct

eddo said:
See what? I don't see anything out of the ordinary.

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wherever I'm not banned from
Posts: 1,249
Infractions: 1/0 (0)
Rep Power: 2

Originally posted by TJ directed at IWS...
Nice try and I guess your attempts to justify your attack on all democrats is a kind of answer though. You see everything you do as justified, so you feel your above the rules your telling everyone else to follow.
*cough cough*

I rest my case.
 

ImWithStupid

Super Moderator
#49
Re: New Rule On Conduct

wez said:
Quote:Originally posted by TJ directed at IWS...
Nice try and I guess your attempts to justify your attack on all democrats is a kind of answer though. You see everything you do as justified, so you feel your above the rules your telling everyone else to follow.

*cough cough*

I rest my case.
Could you elaborate? I guess it didn't come across to me exactly what you mean here.
 

wez

Big Time BS
#50
Re: New Rule On Conduct

ImWithStupid said:
Could you elaborate? I guess it didn't come across to me exactly what you mean here.
TJ is accusing you of a double standard of you doing what he actually desires which is he obviously feels it's ok to take shots at people but not ok when it comes back to him.. and if this was his forum, he'd ban you to prove it.. = hypocrisy.

I hardly think he'd have a shred of the patience you've shown him.. and he's blind to it.
 

ImWithStupid

Super Moderator
#51
Re: New Rule On Conduct

wez said:
TJ is accusing you of a double standard of you doing what he actually desires which is he obviously feels it's ok to take shots at people but not ok when it comes back to him.. and if this was his forum, he'd ban you to prove it.. = hypocrisy.

I hardly think he'd have a shred of the patience you've shown him.. and he's blind to it.
I think at this point it's pretty safe to say that I can not answer this, or address this, due to strong personal feelings on past events, here, real or percieved.

Like I have said many times, perception is subjective, and a persons perception is their reality. This applies to myself.
 

wez

Big Time BS
#52
Re: New Rule On Conduct

ImWithStupid said:
I think at this point it's pretty safe to say that I can not answer this, or address this, due to strong personal feelings on past events, here, real or percieved.

Like I have said many times, perception is subjective, and a persons perception is their reality. This applies to myself.

Totally understand...
 

timesjoke

Progressive Killer
#54
Re: New Rule On Conduct

wez said:
TJ is accusing you of a double standard of you doing what he actually desires which is he obviously feels it's ok to take shots at people but not ok when it comes back to him.. and if this was his forum, he'd ban you to prove it.. = hypocrisy.

I hardly think he'd have a shred of the patience you've shown him.. and he's blind to it.
This is not what I said at all but I expect some to ignore the point I was making.


All I was saying is right after posting a new rule making personal attacks against forum rules, the poster of that rule made a blanket attack on all Democrats.

I was trying to provide a way to show how there are different kinds of personal attacks, some that are not harmful to discussions and some that are harmful to open discussions.
 

eddo

I don't like you.
#55
Re: New Rule On Conduct

timesjoke said:
All I was saying is right after posting a new rule making personal attacks against forum rules, the poster of that rule made a blanket attack on all Democrats.
Everybody hates generalizations!!!
 

ImWithStupid

Super Moderator
#57
Re: New Rule On Conduct

timesjoke said:
All I was saying is right after posting a new rule making personal attacks against forum rules, the poster of that rule made a blanket attack on all Democrats.

I was trying to provide a way to show how there are different kinds of personal attacks, some that are not harmful to discussions and some that are harmful to open discussions.
So it, truly and honestly, wasn't at all a backhanded attack at me, personally?
 

timesjoke

Progressive Killer
#58
Re: New Rule On Conduct

ImWithStupid said:
So it, truly and honestly, wasn't at all a backhanded attack at me, personally?
Heck no, in fact I made sure to say a couple times that I felt your comment saying Democrats are socialists was on topic (and very accurate I might add).


The forum will not suffer harm by honest on topic comments like this even if it can be seen as a kind of attack. The attacks that are harmful are the ones designed to directly attack the person and are off topic.
 

ImWithStupid

Super Moderator
#59
Re: New Rule On Conduct

timesjoke said:
Heck no, in fact I made sure to say a couple times that I felt your comment saying Democrats are socialists was on topic (and very accurate I might add).


The forum will not suffer harm by honest on topic comments like this even if it can be seen as a kind of attack. The attacks that are harmful are the ones designed to directly attack the person and are off topic.
Ok, I just thought it might have been. Thanks for the explanation/clarification.
 

wez

Big Time BS
#60
Re: New Rule On Conduct

ImWithStupid said:
Last edited by ImWithStupid : Today at 07:35 PM. Reason: Edited due to new rules posted by site Administration.

What's the new rules? Didn't see anything changed..