SSN is none sustainable

Cloaked

Iron Fisted Ruler
Staff member
#2
I've heard what this guy is saying for years. I even told my kids they'll never see a dime from it. Well now that I'm nearing the time to collect it myself I will prove all those people wrong that told me I'd never see a dime. I only hope my kids prove me wrong also.
 

timesjoke

Progressive Killer
#3
It is safe to say our Government officials are spending money we do not have. This is not just done my the Liberals but it is mostly Liberals who want to use the power of the all powerful Government to play Robin Hood.

There will be massive change of some form down the road to all Government programs, either we go the way of true Socialisism as many South American Countries have done recently, or we must move back to a more free market system as America was founded, we cannot float in the middle forever because it cannot be sustained. Sooner or later the bubble pops, the only real question is when and how big the pop will be.
 

jokersarewild

Conservative/Liberal Beater
#4
The problem is that last year it crossed the threshold between what they took in and what got paid out. Before that, it was an issue (needed to be addressed), but politicians are afraid to touch SS most of the time. Unfortunately, old people exist, and we can't really leave eating cat food. I really have no clue what they're gonna do about it. Either we screw the old people, or we go broke, and neither of those are pleasing.
 

timesjoke

Progressive Killer
#5
The problem is that last year it crossed the threshold between what they took in and what got paid out. Before that, it was an issue (needed to be addressed), but politicians are afraid to touch SS most of the time. Unfortunately, old people exist, and we can't really leave eating cat food. I really have no clue what they're gonna do about it. Either we screw the old people, or we go broke, and neither of those are pleasing.
Well the whole eating catfood propaganda is just silly, the reality is social security was mostly sold to the American people in it's original form to protect widows who had spent all their life raising children and caring for homes while the husband worked and once he died the widow would be stuck.

We can easily care for the few elderly who do not have families to care for them if we at the same time say that the primary care of the elderly is their own family. Why does the Government have to provide all the care for the elderly? Why do their own family not hold some responsibility? America is not running out of money, the money is already gone, we are living on credit cards. Something must change.
 

Cloaked

Iron Fisted Ruler
Staff member
#6
Well the whole eating catfood propaganda is just silly, the reality is social security was mostly sold to the American people in it's original form to protect widows who had spent all their life raising children and caring for homes while the husband worked and once he died the widow would be stuck.

We can easily care for the few elderly who do not have families to care for them if we at the same time say that the primary care of the elderly is their own family. Why does the Government have to provide all the care for the elderly? Why do their own family not hold some responsibility? America is not running out of money, the money is already gone, we are living on credit cards. Something must change.
I don't see the fund as elderly care. I see it as a savings account I pay into every working day of my life. I will never see every penny of it, but, I expect to see some of it when I hit the age to receive it. I am not counting on it and never have, but, since I am now near the age of collecting from it and since I have paid the full amount one can pay each year for my whole working life I feel I deserve to get my fair share of it. Do I need it? No I can get by just fine without it. I look at as mad money. Money to buy an extra bottle of fine scotch if I choose or extra money to give to the less fortunate people that I give to every year.

At the age I'm at now I deserve that money every month. Much more than the 31 year old serial rapist I know who gets a check from SS every month. Before they stop the fund maybe they should look at who is getting it and who really deserves it.
 

jokersarewild

Conservative/Liberal Beater
#7
I could get free government money for being a serial rapist? And here I was, working a real job that doesn't violate the freedoms/rights of others.
 

Cloaked

Iron Fisted Ruler
Staff member
#8
I could get free government money for being a serial rapist? And here I was, working a real job that doesn't violate the freedoms/rights of others.
Was found to be mentally ill and committed to an institution by the court after his 3rd rape trial. Now he gets a social security check every month for the rest of his life and his mother is trying to get him on welfare too.
 
#9
That's BS. If he's institutionalized, he shouldn't need any money. His basic needs are being taken care of by the state. Three hots and a cot - that's all he needs (and more than a lot of our military get when they're deployed).
 

Cloaked

Iron Fisted Ruler
Staff member
#10
He was released a few months ago when the courts found him not to be harmful to himself or others at the recommendation of his doctors. It will not be long and he will be back in.
 

hugo

Big Time BS'er
#11
Actually, SS can be saved with a combination of means testing, raising taxes and cutting benefits without a great deal of pain. Medicare and medicaid are in a much worse situation.
 

jokersarewild

Conservative/Liberal Beater
#12
Actually, SS can be saved with a combination of means testing, raising taxes and cutting benefits without a great deal of pain. Medicare and medicaid are in a much worse situation.
So, what you're saying is that, in order to save SS, Republicans and Democrats would have to agree to do something that they're completely politically against? Well, that sucks.
 

timesjoke

Progressive Killer
#13
I don't see the fund as elderly care. I see it as a savings account I pay into every working day of my life. I will never see every penny of it, but, I expect to see some of it when I hit the age to receive it.
Can't really help how people see SS, it is a government entitlement system and has never been operated like a savings account system. All of these kinds of programs sound good on paper but as people live longer they start taking out way, way more than they ever paid in, and combine that with less workers paying into the system (on a percentage) compared to who is taking out and you see a system that cannot continue down the road it is on.

I am not counting on it and never have, but, since I am now near the age of collecting from it and since I have paid the full amount one can pay each year for my whole working life I feel I deserve to get my fair share of it. Do I need it? No I can get by just fine without it. I look at as mad money. Money to buy an extra bottle of fine scotch if I choose or extra money to give to the less fortunate people that I give to every year.

To save the SS system the Government will be forced to either severely raise the amount people pay in or start a system of qualifying for SS where if you have the ability to take care of yourself without SS then you can't get a Government check (means testing as hugo said).

At the age I'm at now I deserve that money every month. Much more than the 31 year old serial rapist I know who gets a check from SS every month. Before they stop the fund maybe they should look at who is getting it and who really deserves it.
Well the SS system is not set up on the merit system either, this is why welfare should not be performed by a all powerful Federal Government. There is no way to know who is scum and who is not, who is pretending to be disabled, who is lazy and just asking for 'free money' because it is so easy to get. The serial rapist should be hung in the public square, not fawned over and treated like he was made that way by society.

Every time you see someone like that thank the Liberals.