The Obama alternative

jokersarewild

Conservative/Liberal Beater
#21
Obama will be the Republican nominee in 2012, the real question is who is going to be the new Democrat contender to take on the now Republican Obama.
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You...you seriously have to be trolling on this.

Anybody with a brain SHOULD realize that Obama didn't "change parties". He is doing what he believes is best. And if you have to make concessions, you have to make concessions. If you have to give a little to get a little, so be it. You seem to be riding this "Obama gave something away, so now he's a traitor" line of bullshit that makes you look so ignorant and lost, it's a wonder you put your pants on correctly (although, I suspect your wife helps you get dressed, seeing as you can't tell left from right).
 

Bender

Administering the BS
#22
Nope, not a troll. I would support a candidate to primary out Obama. In as much as he gets called a socialst, Commie, Marxist, etc, most of his moves have all been moves George Bush would have made.

If I wanted to vote for a Republican, I would have voted for a Republican.

I'm thinking Bernie Sanders, he is a self proclaimed socialist. If not, then maybe Kucinch.

I want a REAL socialist to get elected so the right wing really starts pissing in their pants.

Obama has proven himself to be a member of RepubliCorp LLC.
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Nope, not a troll. I would support a candidate to primary out Obama. In as much as he gets called a socialst, Commie, Marxist, etc, most of his moves have all been moves George Bush would have made.
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Health Care Bill. Not a George Bush move.
It was GW's expansion of Medicare that made Obamacare possible.
Actually, while I agree with Medicare as a concept, the claim forms are wide open to Doctor abuse. One of my sisters works for the gov solely tracking doctor abuse of the Medicare system, so, while the system does benefit the end user, the suppliers need close monitoring to stop them rorting the system. Shame that. All that education, and still a criminal at heart.
 
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Wow Phreak! I am impressed. I never thought I'd hear you say you like Palin. I feel the exact same way too. I saw her shows also, and love this woman. She is the real deal. I would def vote for her too. I would love to see a Romney/Palin run, but would be fine with Palin.
 

hugo

Big Time BS'er
#28
Wow Phreak! I am impressed. I never thought I'd hear you say you like Palin. I feel the exact same way too. I saw her shows also, and love this woman. She is the real deal. I would def vote for her too. I would love to see a Romney/Palin run, but would be fine with Palin.
Phreak was being sarcastic. Palin is an idiot.
 

jokersarewild

Conservative/Liberal Beater
#29
Wow Phreak! I am impressed. I never thought I'd hear you say you like Palin. I feel the exact same way too. I saw her shows also, and love this woman. She is the real deal. I would def vote for her too. I would love to see a Romney/Palin run, but would be fine with Palin.
Haha. HAHAHAHA. Man, I hope you're just being sarcastic. Like Hugo said, Palin's a moron.
 

hugo

Big Time BS'er
#30
Wow Phreak! I am impressed. I never thought I'd hear you say you like Palin. I feel the exact same way too. I saw her shows also, and love this woman. She is the real deal. I would def vote for her too. I would love to see a Romney/Palin run, but would be fine with Palin.
Haha. HAHAHAHA. Man, I hope you're just being sarcastic. Like Hugo said, Palin's a moron.
Thinking about voting for Snooki.
 
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As far as Palin goes. She at least seems to be for the people. Not for her own personal agenda. Despite all the polls telling the government that people want less ridiculous spending and free hand-outs & amnesty nobody but the Republican party seems to be listening right now and that is just simple fact. Here's a thought, maybe they know something they are not telling us, because there seems to be no regard for our financial future. I mean really unemployment for 3 years, is that really going to help people in the future? Are their jobs really going to come back? I doubt it. So yes, the more I read up on Sarah Palin, the more I like her.
 

ImWithStupid

Super Moderator
#34
you won't find a more viable candidate any more communist
Here is where the argument is LOST and just so QUICK into the debate.

It's lost because you SIMPLY can not, and will not answer it because you have no answer, you will instead pontificate and change the subject when I query for an extended elaboration and example. The question being simply.....

What Communist actions?
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Many Russian immigrants to the “red borough” of Staten Island are flocking to the Republican Party, saying that the national Democrats’ “socialistic” policies remind them too much of the top-down oligarchy they fled in their native land.With many of the borough’s Russian arrivees already owning businesses and active in civic organizations, their muscle could help the Island GOP solidify electoral gains made this year, when the party took back congressional and Assembly seats.

Businessman Arkadiy Fridman said that the newly formed Citizens Magazine Business Club, a confederation of more than 50 Russian-owned businesses here and in Brooklyn, has aligned itself with the Molinari Republican Club (MRC) in an effort to increase the Russian community’s political and economic clout. . . . Fridman said that the Democrats “are going in an absolutely different direction,” focusing on “income redistribution” and rich-versus-poor “class war.”

“It’s too socialistic,” said Fridman, head of the non-profit Staten Island Community Center and president of Citizens Magazine, a public affairs publication. “It’s very painful for us to see.”

The Democrats’ national losses were seen as a rejection of President Barack Obama’s health care reform law and other initiatives that opponents say went too far in pushing government control on Americans. The Big Brother approach reminds Fridman too much of what he left behind in the former Soviet Union.

“It’s the same rule like it was there,” said Fridman, who estimates there are around 55,000 Russian immigrants here.



Michael Petrov of the Digital Edge data management firm in Bloomfield, said that he objects to the “micro-managing of the economy” he’s seen from city as well as federal officials.

“Government is affecting small business more and more,” said Petrov, who came to the United States in 1994. “It’s the same as what’s happening in Russia.”

The Citizens Club, formed earlier this month, looks to support and grow local businesses here; introduce Russian firms to the borough’s existing business and political communities, and promote Russian community representatives to serve in elected office. . . . Brooklyn attorney David Storovin said that the fact that the MRC is made up of business professionals “who are successful in their own right,” also made the match an attractive one.

He said that he and other Russian immigrants are also drawn to the GOP’s traditional veneration of flag and country.
http://www.silive.co...ligning_wi.html
 

hugo

Big Time BS'er
#35
As far as Palin goes. She at least seems to be for the people. Not for her own personal agenda. Despite all the polls telling the government that people want less ridiculous spending and free hand-outs & amnesty nobody but the Republican party seems to be listening right now and that is just simple fact. Here's a thought, maybe they know something they are not telling us, because there seems to be no regard for our financial future. I mean really unemployment for 3 years, is that really going to help people in the future? Are their jobs really going to come back? I doubt it. So yes, the more I read up on Sarah Palin, the more I like her.
Palin raised taxes in order to give every Alaskan a welfare check.
 
#36
OMG Hugo. I'll let Snafu answer that one. Now I have to go do more research - Thanks! I really above all other choices do favor Mitt Romney or Donald Trump.
 

jokersarewild

Conservative/Liberal Beater
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OMG Hugo. I'll let Snafu answer that one. Now I have to go do more research - Thanks! I really above all other choices do favor Mitt Romney or Donald Trump.
I'd favor the business-minded if I believed for even a moment it would work. The problem is that you can't run a government like a business. It wasn't designed to be some sort of capitalistic venture. We had the same problem here in California. Ahnold tried to run it as one would a business (same thing Meg Whitman ran on). It didn't work. The government doesn't sell you a product. It doesn't have a marketing team to get you to buy in to it. You're already there, whether you like it or not. Most politicians cave to the fact that unpopular, but tough and worthwhile, decisions are often career ending ones. So I guess if you can overcome the pussification, it might work.
 
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I wouldn't call Ahnold a business minded person. He can't think outside the box like Donald Trump can. Donald Trump isn't a cat either. We also need someone who is security minded. Security in this country is not top priorty. We need someone who cares about rebuilding America's economy, while ensuring our nation is protected. The fact that terrorists are training the Cartels in Mexico should be worrisome to this nation, yet, their only suggestion is The Dream Act. Wake up people. The problem with California is it is overrun with illegal immigrants who collect from the welfare system, work under the table, and don't pay taxes. The root of the problem on the West Coast are the illegals. I had neighbors in Az who had at least 10 people living in their house, the two youngest daughters 14 & 16 both had babies, dealt drugs and collected welfare. Once a solution to that problem can be solved, we can look forward to stabilizing. Maybe a revision to the dream act could be to step up the application & approval process, I'm sure Obama could appoint a czar for organizing a sect that could concentrate on that issue solely; make sure people are screened throughly so they can then become tax paying citizens and deal with reality like the rest of us.
 

jokersarewild

Conservative/Liberal Beater
#39
I wouldn't call Ahnold a business minded person. He can't think outside the box like Donald Trump can. Donald Trump isn't a cat either. We also need someone who is security minded. Security in this country is not top priorty. We need someone who cares about rebuilding America's economy, while ensuring our nation is protected. The fact that terrorists are training the Cartels in Mexico should be worrisome to this nation, yet, their only suggestion is The Dream Act. Wake up people. The problem with California is it is overrun with illegal immigrants who collect from the welfare system, work under the table, and don't pay taxes. The root of the problem on the West Coast are the illegals. I had neighbors in Az who had at least 10 people living in their house, the two youngest daughters 14 & 16 both had babies, dealt drugs and collected welfare. Once a solution to that problem can be solved, we can look forward to stabilizing. Maybe a revision to the dream act could be to step up the application & approval process, I'm sure Obama could appoint a czar for organizing a sect that could concentrate on that issue solely; make sure people are screened throughly so they can then become tax paying citizens and deal with reality like the rest of us.
He's not really business-minded, no. But he campaigned on running California like a business.

Yes, Illegals are an issue. A big issue. They are leeches. Get 'em all registered right quick so we can tax them. I doubt that'll happen, but hey, anything's possible.

Also, a 14 year old with a kid is disgusting. She should have the kid taken away, esp. if she's on welfare.