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Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called President Barack Obama's health plan "downright evil" Friday in her first online comments since leaving office, saying in a Facebook posting that he would create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans.

Palin says Obama's health plan is 'downright evil': Politics | adn.com

[hugo]

It is sad that we cannot have a rational debate on this issue.

[Ali]

I find it really odd and unprofessional that so many dealings with Sarah Palin as of late have come about from her postings on Facebook.

Just my opinion.

[snafu]

Ali said:

I find it really odd and unprofessional that so many dealings with Sarah Palin as of late have come about from her postings on Facebook.

Just my opinion.

That was the whole reason for giving up her position as governor. She will be able to use the new concept of using the internet as a platform.

[Phreakwars]

snafu said:

That was the whole reason for giving up her position as governor. She will be able to use the new concept of using the internet as a platform.

Well, I guess all I would have to say about that, is it WOULD be a good idea, but having messages from allegedly YOU on a blog is not gonna get any message out unless you yourself are seen saying it.

Being a big hit with the internet crowd doesn't mean party success. It's just means you have a popular blog. The real test is actual interaction instead of blog comments and responses.

I know of several people (not on this site) that share a user name account but are actually a couple different people.

What's not to say Sarah Palin would not be doing the same? She obviously had speech writers helping her before. If Obama hiding behind a teleprompter is so gosh darn awful, then what type of credibility do you think one could expect hiding behind a keyboard?
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Bender said:

Well, I guess all I would have to say about that, is it WOULD be a good idea, but having messages from allegedly YOU on a blog is not gonna get any message out unless you yourself are seen saying it.

Being a big hit with the internet crowd doesn't mean party success. It's just means you have a popular blog. The real test is actual interaction instead of blog comments and responses.

I know of several people (not on this site) that share a user name account but are actually a couple different people.

What's not to say Sarah Palin would not be doing the same? She obviously had speech writers helping her before. If Obama hiding behind a teleprompter is so gosh darn awful, then what type of credibility do you think one could expect hiding behind a keyboard?
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If she has speech writers, she better fire them. They are making her look like a raving lunatic.

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hugo said:

If she has speech writers, she better fire them. They are making her look like a raving lunatic.

You don't see some sort of panel determining who gets treatment and who doesn't? It's happing everywhere else that has government controlled health care. You can call it what you want but it gets the same results.

[Phreakwars]

snafu said:

You don't see some sort of panel determining who gets treatment and who doesn't? It's happing everywhere else that has government controlled health care. You can call it what you want but it gets the same results.

READ THE BILL.

http://www.gpo.gov/f...111hr3200IH.pdf
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[IWS]

Bender said:

READ THE BILL.

http://www.gpo.gov/f...111hr3200IH.pdf
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Actually you have to go back to the stimulus bill. That's where the framework was passed to establish the Tom Daschle/Great Britain style medical advisory council, so yes Pres. Obama has signed a bill making this law.

[Phreakwars]

Show me the bill and lines please.
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Bender said:

Show me the bill and lines please.
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No need. It's no longer just a bill. It's been established in law in the "stimulus package" with a panel already in place that includes Rahm Emanuel's brother...

Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research Membership

Ezekiel J. Emanuel, who wrote an article for The Hastings Center Report in 1996, in which he suggested that public deliberative forums should decide which health services should be socially guaranteed, and that those services "that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations" might be considered by this deliberative body as "basic", while "services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed". He goes on to give examples illustrating these two concepts: "not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia", (like your uncle, Phreak) while "guaranteeing neuropsychological services to ensure children with learning disabilities can read and learn to reason"

This post has been edited by ImWithStupid: 09 August 2009 - 05:49 PM

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So if it's already in the Stimulus you should be able to point out the wording for me so I can see it myself. It's already a LAW supposedly, so it MUST be on the books. I'm just asking which lines, I'm not able to find it on google anywhere, help me out. Should I try Microsoft's new BING search engine?
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[IWS]

Bender said:

So if it's already in the Stimulus you should be able to point out the wording for me so I can see it myself. It's already a LAW supposedly, so it MUST be on the books. I'm just asking which lines, I'm not able to find it on google anywhere, help me out. Should I try Microsoft's new BING search engine?
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Clicky, clicky on the title of the program on my previous post.

Sorry my direct link to the law didn't help you out.

Don't know about BING, never used it.

This post has been edited by ImWithStupid: 09 August 2009 - 10:04 AM

[Phreakwars]

Ezekiel J. Emanuel's article is the proof? I looked on that page, I couldn't find anything about any death panels, or nothing about the Bill.

I'll look some more.... Yahoo didn't work... maybe if I searched using alta vista world translator and set my language to "chicken little". :rolleyes:
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[IWS]

Bender said:

Ezekiel J. Emanuel's article is the proof? I looked on that page, I couldn't find anything about any death panels, or nothing about the Bill.

I'll look some more.... Yahoo didn't work... maybe if I searched using alta vista world translator and set my language to "chicken little". :rolleyes:
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All I said is to look at those in power and advising the President.

Ezikial Emanuel - We've established his view.

John Holdren - Obama science and technology advisor who along with Paul Erlich believe in the following...

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Indeed, it has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including laws requiring compulsory abortion, could be sustained under the existing Constitution if the population crisis became sufficiently severe to endanger the society.

It would even be possible to require pregnant single women to marry or have abortions, perhaps as an alternative to placement for adoption, depending on the society.

Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people more than most proposals for involuntary fertility control. Indeed, this would pose some very difficult political, legal, and social questions, to say nothing of the technical problems. No such sterilant exists today, nor does one appear to be under development. To be acceptable, such a substance would have to meet some rather stiff requirements: it must be uniformly effective, despite widely varying doses received by individuals, and despite varying degrees of fertility and sensitivity among individuals; it must be free of dangerous or unpleasant side effects; and it must have no effect on members of the opposite sex, children, old people, pets, or livestock.

Holdren is also a big supporter and fan of Peter Singer who believes that animals should have the right to human civil courts of law, and legal representation in courts and also that abortions should be allowed up to 20 days after birth and advocates for euthenasia of disabled babies.

Tom Daschle - http://justbs.us/on-...ightens-me.html Yea, his tax cheatin' ass is still around and advising Obama.

[Phreakwars]

OK so they believe in that, show me the death squad policy. Come on man, you can do better then that.

So where is the SOURCE of this whole talk about death squads and what have you, I wanna know on what basis these claims are being made as FACTUAL.

I could write a column on how to make meth, does that make me a meth maker?

Replace the word meth with death.

And stay on topic, were talking about death squads, not Tom Dachle.

Your supposed to be convincing me this exists, not telling me about Dachle.
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[IWS]

Bender said:

OK so they believe in that, show me the death squad policy. Come on man, you can do better then that.

So where is the SOURCE of this whole talk about death squads and what have you, I wanna know on what basis these claims are being made as FACTUAL.

I could write a column on how to make meth, does that make me a meth maker?

Replace the word meth with death.

And stay on topic, were talking about death squads, not Tom Dachle.

Your supposed to be convincing me this exists, not telling me about Dachle.
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I never said anything about a death squad, in those words. I have been showing and expressing that the plan, and the idea that is being put in place is the framework for a Great Britain style council that decides who gets what health care based on certain criteria.

If you even try to deny that this is in place and that's obviously the goal, otherwise one stage wouldn't have been put in place back in the "stimulus bill" and now the rest is being put in place under the proposed health care bills, you will have no credibility other than a partisan hack.

There is no other explination why that council was put in place, but my scenerio.

There was a hiccup when Daschle was bumped as one of the many Democratic tax cheats, but it wasn't important. He moved right in with John Podesta with the Center for American Progress and meets at the White House all the time, but has no Constitutional regulations on him.

That's the only reason they didn't fight for Daschle like they did for Turbo Tax Timmy.

He could do the same thing but make more money with the CAP.

This isn't even a hidden conspiracy. It's right there in front of you.

How about a friendly bet. I'm willing to put up $100 that in 10 years there will be a Federal Bureaucracy that determines who is eligible for certain types of treatments, depending on age, disease, progression of disease, and availability.

This post has been edited by ImWithStupid: 09 August 2009 - 11:45 AM

[Phreakwars]

I'll only rebut the first sentence, the rest is hogwash..

YOU SHOWED ME NO PLAN WHAT SO EVER. I'm not denying anythings in place, I just want confirmation of it's existence. You haven't shown me big foot yet, just talk of it's sightings.

Even the Libertarian Hugo can easily see through that chicken little myth.

If it's already on the books, then you should have been able to rebut me by now, you can't because you keep looking and looking all over google so you can get that edge, you keep coming up short, so you back peddle a bit more, shuffle your talking point cards around a bit, try a couple more google search terms... and still... NOTHING.

Just admit defeat, you can't prove it because it doesn't exist.

Palin has taken to hiding behind a keyboard and spewing propaganda. She probably made a few contacts in Washington after McCain brought her in, that would hook her up with some decent cash for spreading their B.S., figured it was better pay and a safer bet then being a Governor, and off she goes.

She's making herself look like a crazed lunatic... but, whatever brings in the bacon I guess.
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[IWS]

Bender said:

I'll only rebut the first sentence, the rest is hogwash..

YOU SHOWED ME NO PLAN WHAT SO EVER. I'm not denying anythings in place, I just want confirmation of it's existence. You haven't shown me big foot yet, just talk of it's sightings.

Even the Libertarian Hugo can easily see through that chicken little myth.

If it's already on the books, then you should have been able to rebut me by now, you can't because you keep looking and looking all over google so you can get that edge, you keep coming up short, so you back peddle a bit more, shuffle your talking point cards around a bit, try a couple more google search terms... and still... NOTHING.

Just admit defeat, you can't prove it because it doesn't exist.

Palin has taken to hiding behind a keyboard and spewing propaganda. She probably made a few contacts in Washington after McCain brought her in, that would hook her up with some decent cash for spreading their B.S., figured it was better pay and a safer bet then being a Governor, and off she goes.

She's making herself look like a crazed lunatic... but, whatever brings in the bacon I guess.
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I can't prove, what is inevitable but hasn't happened yet. How about going on record and accept my wager?

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How about a friendly bet. I'm willing to put up $100 that in 10 years there will be a Federal Bureaucracy that determines who is eligible for certain types of treatments, depending on age, disease, progression of disease, and availability.

[snafu]

YouTube - The President's Health Care Advisers


Healthcare Reform: HR 3200 and “Big Brother” in Your Life | The Doc Is In


http://frwebgate.acc...h3200ih.txt.pdf (I haven't gone through this yet)

This post has been edited by snafu: 09 August 2009 - 06:24 PM