Are we the center of the Universe?

[wez]

Does life exist only on Earth? Personally, I find it hard to believe that life, human like, or some other intelligent (If you can call us that collectively) beings don't exist somewhere out there in an infinite universe. Some probably less advanced, some much more. What do you think? Are we it?

[snafu]

I think you would have to be pretty naive to believe we have the only planet with life on it. It would also be hard pressed to believe we are the only planet with intelligent life too.

[eddo]

I firmly believe that I am the only intelligent being in the universe...

[emkay64]

My brother says we are a "test" planet. Kinda like an ant farm for extremely intelligent life forms to manipulate for their amusement and occasionally have sex with. Given the state of things...I tend to agree.

[emkay64]

Of course my brother is high most of the time....

[IWS]

I agree with snafu. We would have to be nieve, not to mention arrogant, to think with the billions of other star systems that some form of life, intelligent, primative, carbon based or other type isn't out there somewhere.

[Old Salt]

I firmly believe that I am the only intelligent being in the universe...

And I firmly believe that I'm the center of the universe. :P

[IWS]

I firmly believe that I am the only intelligent being in the universe...

And I firmly believe that I'm the center of the universe. :P

Neither of which matters to me as I was creator of both of you, the universe and everything.:cool:

[Cloaked]

My brother says we are a "test" planet. Kinda like an ant farm for extremely intelligent life forms to manipulate for their amusement and occasionally have sex with. Given the state of things...I tend to agree.

There are many that believe the same thing.

[RaE]

I'm kind of torn over this one. Being a Christian, I'm not sure how this plays into God. If he created other planets with life on them, why didn't he mention them? Then again, maybe he did... Maybe that's where Heaven is... Maybe that's what hell is...

 

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Hehe.. You guys are both wrong btw... I'm the only intelligent being in the universe, and I'm the center of the universe... so there.

[wez]

I'm kind of torn over this one. Being a Christian, I'm not sure how this plays into God. If he created other planets with life on them, why didn't he mention them? Then again, maybe he did... Maybe that's where Heaven is... Maybe that's what hell is...

I've often wondered what some kind of proof would do to the worlds religions..

 

I'm sure they'd rather suppress it than actually accept the truth. It really wouldn't disprove God, per say, just all the man made lies that go along with it...

[eddo]

I'm kind of torn over this one. Being a Christian, I'm not sure how this plays into God. If he created other planets with life on them, why didn't he mention them?

The Bible doesn't mention aardvarks, but it doesn't mean they don't exist, or that religions want to suppress them.

 

Some people do think we are it. I dunno. The universe is so vast and unknown that just about anything is possible. Maybe there is a world where there is a version of me that gets along with a version of wez.

 

I doubt it though. :P

[wez]

The Bible doesn't mention aardvarks, but it doesn't mean they don't exist, or that religions want to suppress them.

They've wanted to, and have suppressed tons o'er the years. I guess when people get used to saying/believing something is "definitely this" and claim knowledge of the Dawn of time through eternity, it better be true, or else..And they'll kill you to prove it. :rolleyes:

 

Some people do think we are it. I dunno. The universe is so vast and unknown that just about anything is possible. Maybe there is a world where there is a version of me that gets along with a version of wez.I doubt it though. :P

I get along with you just fine.. or else..

 

Or else = your head in my avatars mouth... :D

[RaE]

The Bible doesn't mention aardvarks, but it doesn't mean they don't exist, or that religions want to suppress them.Some people do think we are it. I dunno. The universe is so vast and unknown that just about anything is possible. Maybe there is a world where there is a version of me that gets along with a version of wez.

 

I doubt it though. :P

Yeah, I see your point. The Bible doesn't mention dinos either... and there's no denying that they existed. I just hope the bunch of yahoos we've got now are getting their names right... I think remember reading that God had Adam name all of the animals that ever existed... That ties into the whole translation thing. It's pretty fun stuff.

[Cloaked]

Even though I am a Christian it would still be arrogant of me to think we are alone. It would go against most everything I beleive, but, in reality I can't deny the fact that life must exist elsewhere in the universe.

[sheik-yerbouti]

Does life exist only on Earth? Personally, I find it hard to believe that life, human like, or some other intelligent (If you can call us that collectively) beings don't exist somewhere out there in an infinite universe. Some probably less advanced, some much more. What do you think? Are we it?

Life seems to be dependent on stars. Stars produce light. Plants use light to produce carbohydrate. Plants and animals need carbohydrate to live.

 

What we see is that there are way to many stars in the universe to count. The numbers of orbiting planets may be more then this again.

 

Countless billions of planets are out there. There must be other life forms. What surprise me, is that there is no evidence for this.

 

Of course, there can be no "hands on " evidence, being as we are still learning to walk spacewise. But what about evidence that should come to us ? Like radio waves etc?

 

Given that there is no such evidence, I must assume that either there is no other developed life out there. Alternatively, we are still awaiting incoming radio wave signals for proof of other intelligent life. This may be the most plausible explanation, as it takes light years to get anywhere out there. Of course, there may be some intelligent life so far away, that we will not receive their radio wave signals for millions of years to come. It is comforting, that they will not receive our for a similar length of time.

 

Lets hope they gave up war and conquest long ago. I dont want to war with a group that could cross those unimaginable distances quickly if they wished to do so

[Old Salt]

The Vatican must have been reading this thread. :D

 

VATICAN CITY (May 13) - Believing that the universe may contain alien life does not contradict a faith in God, the Vatican's chief astronomer said in an interview published Tuesday.

"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?" Funes said. "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation."In the interview by the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Funes said that such a notion "doesn't contradict our faith" because aliens would still be God's creatures. Ruling out the existence of aliens would be like "putting limits" on God's creative freedom, he said.

Vatican Says It's OK to Believe in Aliens - AOL News

[eddo]

Yeah, I see your point. The Bible doesn't mention dinos either... and there's no denying that they existed.

Job 40:15 "Look at the behemoth, [a]

 

which I made along with you

 

and which feeds on grass like an ox.

 

16 What strength he has in his loins,

 

what power in the muscles of his belly!

 

17 His tail sways like a cedar;

 

the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.

 

18 His bones are tubes of bronze,

 

his limbs like rods of iron.

 

19 He ranks first among the works of God,

 

yet his Maker can approach him with his sword.

 

The footnote for verse 15 says it could be a hippo or an elephant, but both of them have tiny tails, and could hardly be compared to a cedar tree. Dino?? could be. :)

[RaE]

Job 40:15 "Look at the behemoth' date=' [a']which I made along with you

 

and which feeds on grass like an ox.

 

16 What strength he has in his loins,

 

what power in the muscles of his belly!

 

17 His tail sways like a cedar;

 

the sinews of his thighs are close-knit.

 

18 His bones are tubes of bronze,

 

his limbs like rods of iron.

 

19 He ranks first among the works of God,

 

yet his Maker can approach him with his sword.

 

The footnote for verse 15 says it could be a hippo or an elephant, but both of them have tiny tails, and could hardly be compared to a cedar tree. Dino?? could be. :)

Very nice! I don't know that anyone has pointed that out to me before!

[hugo]

Of course, there can be no "hands on " evidence, being as we are still learning to walk spacewise. But what about evidence that should come to us ? Like radio waves etc?

 

Given that there is no such evidence, I must assume that either there is no other developed life out there. Alternatively, we are still awaiting incoming radio wave signals for proof of other intelligent life. This may be the most plausible explanation, as it takes light years to get anywhere out there. Of course, there may be some intelligent life so far away, that we will not receive their radio wave signals for millions of years to come. It is comforting, that they will not receive our for a similar length of time.

I gotta pretty much agree with this. The lack of evidence, such as radio waves, argues against a more advanced civilization.

[wez]

I gotta pretty much agree with this. The lack of evidence, such as radio waves, argues against a more advanced civilization.

I saw something not long ago about the myth of our waves perpetually traveling outwards.. They become noise.. static.. they dissipate. Not surprising we don't see anything significant from another source. We can "hear" the Sun.. anything like radio waves from another civilization would easily be obscured.. Not to mention the absurd distance to even the nearest star/Sun.

[hugo]

I saw something not long ago about the myth of our waves perpetually traveling outwards.. They become noise.. static.. they dissipate. Not surprising we don't see anything significant from another source. We can "hear" the Sun.. anything like radio waves from another civilization would easily be obscured.. Not to mention the absurd distance to even the nearest star/Sun.

Someone needs to tell all the scientists at SETI this.

 

http://www.seti.org/seti/projects/project-phoenix/overview.php

[snafu]

Someone needs to tell all the scientists at SETI this.project pheonix overview

I?m sure sound has to dissipate to some extent. Things would get pretty loud if it didn?t.

 

And sure we?re listing to billions of frequencies but I think it?s still a shot in the dark that we do hear something.

[wez]

Someone needs to tell all the scientists at SETI this.project pheonix overview

Maybe all the waves are being sucked into black holes..

 

Maybe disassociate is a better word.. Waves don't stay in a fine line signal.. they spread, like a shotgun. The farther they move, they farther they seperate..

 

In any event, I don't think scientists know exactly how man made radio waves from another star system, or galaxy would behave.. Prolly something that could absorb them also.. Who knows..

 

Plus, if they did find them, would they reveal it?

[wez]

Whoops.. double post...

 

Seti scientists are dumbasses. :D