Moderators IWS Posted August 15, 2009 Moderators Posted August 15, 2009 Does that mean we both think there should be a flat tax? :) > Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
hugo Posted August 15, 2009 Posted August 15, 2009 Does that mean we both think there should be a flat tax? :) > I think the flat tax is politically impossible. I believe the sales tax, with exemptions on certain basic items, is the most politically possible. Somehow we must start shrinking the size of government and not just trade one form of tax revenue for another. Apologize for the mistake. I get Texas's northern territories confused sometimes. The best source of government revenues is user fees. For roads this is best done with gasoline taxes. Quote I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. ? Will Rogers
Moderators IWS Posted August 15, 2009 Moderators Posted August 15, 2009 I think the flat tax is politically impossible. I believe the sales tax, with exemptions on certain basic items, is the most politically possible. Somehow we must start shrinking the size of government and not just trade one form of tax revenue for another.Apologize for the mistake. I get Texas's northern territories confused sometimes. I think the sales tax with exemptions, or fair tax, idea will just turn into the same jumbled tax code mess that we have now. It will turn into, refunds/welfare for poor at the end of the year or some kind of swipe card that adjusts your amount based on income or whatever. I agree, we have to start shrinking government somewhere. The IRS and Department of Education would be a couple of good places to start, in my opinion. Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
hugo Posted August 15, 2009 Posted August 15, 2009 I think the sales tax with exemptions, or fair tax, idea will just turn into the same jumbled tax code mess that we have now.It will turn into, refunds/welfare for poor at the end of the year or some kind of swipe card that adjusts your amount based on income or whatever. Yep, it probably would. In this political climate any tax reform resulting in decreasing spreading the wealth is impossible. Quote I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. ? Will Rogers
Times Posted August 16, 2009 Posted August 16, 2009 People need to believe they do not need the Government to take care of them, until that happens we will never reduce Government. We see a small spark of this with the current Obamacare debate but it takes way too much to get the average person to stand up against their Government. If Obama had done this in tiny steps, gradual power grabbing, the people would have let it happen but we can than our luck that Obama and company got too greedy, too fast and took a big enough bite to "wake the sleeping Giant" as one American said last week. The FairTax as written does not allow loopholes or refund checks, it is the complete removal of the IRS, how much would that save America in Taxes? Everyone pays taxes, period. Right now most Americans pay no taxes. Right now trillions of dollars are exchanged under the table in illegal drugs, illegal workers, shade tree mechanics, weekend painters, the list goes on and on and "all" of that money suddenly enters the tax playing field. Most people have no understanding how much tax money the FairTax would generate and the few who do know the truth are mostly politicians who have something to loose if they support this movement. Quote Most if not all stereotypes hold some truth. ?The politicians don't just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless. When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both.? ~ James Dale Davidson
Chi Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Man, what bug crawled up IWS's butt there for a while? :) Quote
Times Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Man, what bug crawled up IWS's butt there for a while? :) No, not bug, bugger....... ;) Quote Most if not all stereotypes hold some truth. ?The politicians don't just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless. When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both.? ~ James Dale Davidson
Ali Posted August 17, 2009 Posted August 17, 2009 Man, what bug crawled up IWS's butt there for a while? :) I know! I was scared there was going to be a divorce! Quote
hugo Posted August 24, 2009 Posted August 24, 2009 While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Palin and her bid. The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Palin is a 'Post Turtle'." Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'Post Turtle' was. The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'Post Turtle'." The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. "You know she didn't get up there by herself, she don't belong up there, and she don't know what to do while she's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dummy put her up there to begin with." Quote I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. ? Will Rogers
Moderators IWS Posted August 25, 2009 Moderators Posted August 25, 2009 While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Palin and her bid.The old rancher said, "Well, ya know, Palin is a 'Post Turtle'." Not being familiar with the term, the doctor asked him what a 'Post Turtle' was. The old rancher said, "When you're driving down a country road you come across a fence post with a turtle balanced on top, that's a 'Post Turtle'." The old rancher saw the puzzled look on the doctor's face so he continued to explain. "You know she didn't get up there by herself, she don't belong up there, and she don't know what to do while she's up there, and you just wonder what kind of dummy put her up there to begin with." That joke is just as funny now as when I first heard it told about Jimmy Carter. :rolleyes: Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
hugo Posted August 25, 2009 Posted August 25, 2009 That joke is just as funny now as when I first heard it told about Jimmy Carter. :rolleyes: If you look up Post Turtle in the dictionary there is a photo of Jimmy Carter besides the definition. Quote I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. ? Will Rogers
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