Times Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 I say what we should do, and what were are gonna eventually HAVE to do (circa Hugo's comment about eventually having to ration), is scrap VA, Military, Medicare, Medicaid and any other socialist ponzi scheme that we are paying for now, and combine them all together as one unit. Were gonna get forced into doing it anyway as these current system start to run dry. We can't tax our way out of it.You notice that ALL of those programs are health based. I'd like to know what would be the difference in dropping everyone off those programs in favor of everyone paying for each other. Instead of paying into a ponzi till we retire, we'd be paying into a system that doesn't call for us to get to a specific point in our lives for coverage (I.E. getting old, being disabled, serving the country, or being a vet who needs care). . . So take all the smaller failed Government health programs, bundle them all together, then increase them many times over to a single payer system as Obama wants......... The problem: If we cannot operate the systems we already have, what makes you think we will get a different result just by making it a hundred times larger? The Government does not possess the management skill needed to operate these programs, that is why they always fail and lead to corruption and severe rationing once they are in place. Quote Most if not all stereotypes hold some truth. ?The politicians don't just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless. When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both.? ~ James Dale Davidson
Phreakwars Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 We can't operate the ones we have because they are operated as a ponzi. If they were all one system, they would no longer be ponzi, they would be distributed systems. . . Quote NewSucks500.com The return of the Suckage
Times Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 We can't operate the ones we have because they are operated as a ponzi. If they were all one system, they would no longer be ponzi, they would be distributed systems.. . Where do you get that from? Making it larger does not change what it is Phreakwars. It will still be ponzi. Quote Most if not all stereotypes hold some truth. ?The politicians don't just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless. When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both.? ~ James Dale Davidson
Moderators IWS Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Posted August 11, 2009 Well, lets see... using just the first link you posted and ignoring the opinion links from ABC and YAHOO, the report says:If you keep reading, it goes on to say.... Nope, not seeing a problem here... Read the report yourself. . . Then somehow you saw a rosy outcome that the head of the CBO didn't . You should apply for a job with them. :rolleyes: It wasn't an "opinion" link. It was a direct quote from the director of the CBO. If you read what is in the whole report, it says that the money spent on preventative care will be as much as the end savings on medical treatment for the diseases that you prevent. Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
Moderators IWS Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Posted August 11, 2009 We can't operate the ones we have because they are operated as a ponzi. If they were all one system, they would no longer be ponzi, they would be distributed systems.. . The only way to have a system that isn't set up to be a big ponzi scheme, is to have everyone pay for their own health care, or not include the poor people who pay nothing in. :rolleyes: Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
hugo Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 So take all the smaller failed Government health programs, bundle them all together, then increase them many times over to a single payer system as Obama wants.........The problem: If we cannot operate the systems we already have, what makes you think we will get a different result just by making it a hundred times larger? The Government does not possess the management skill needed to operate these programs, that is why they always fail and lead to corruption and severe rationing once they are in place. Why do you hate authority? Quote I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. ? Will Rogers
Times Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 Why do you hate authority? Troll much? Quote Most if not all stereotypes hold some truth. ?The politicians don't just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless. When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both.? ~ James Dale Davidson
Members RoyalOrleans Posted August 11, 2009 Members Posted August 11, 2009 Troll much? Well.... look at the pot calling the kettle black. Quote http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5I0M6PKr5HM/SrZiXevwa5I/AAAAAAAAAIo/HZMRBP1nwyI/s200/obama-socialism-attacks-capitalism.jpg It's a mistake to think that poor people get the benefit from the welfare system. It's a total fraud. Most welfare go to the rich of this country: the military-industrial complex, the bankers, the foreign dictators, it's totally out of control. This idea that the government has services or goods that they can pass on is a complete farce. Governments have nothing. They can't create anything, they never have. All they can do is steal from one group and give it to another at the destruction of the principles of freedom, and we ought to challenge that concept. - Ron Paul
Times Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 Well.... look at the pot calling the kettle black. You have been making a lot of +1 troll posts lately RO. Quote Most if not all stereotypes hold some truth. ?The politicians don't just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless. When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both.? ~ James Dale Davidson
Members RoyalOrleans Posted August 11, 2009 Members Posted August 11, 2009 You have been making a lot of +1 troll posts lately RO. I'm a lot of things, even a troll, but I ain't a hypocrite. Quote http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5I0M6PKr5HM/SrZiXevwa5I/AAAAAAAAAIo/HZMRBP1nwyI/s200/obama-socialism-attacks-capitalism.jpg It's a mistake to think that poor people get the benefit from the welfare system. It's a total fraud. Most welfare go to the rich of this country: the military-industrial complex, the bankers, the foreign dictators, it's totally out of control. This idea that the government has services or goods that they can pass on is a complete farce. Governments have nothing. They can't create anything, they never have. All they can do is steal from one group and give it to another at the destruction of the principles of freedom, and we ought to challenge that concept. - Ron Paul
Times Posted August 11, 2009 Posted August 11, 2009 I'm a lot of things, even a troll, but I ain't a hypocrite. Sure you are, your just better at playing the +1 troll game better than me, well actually I am not interested in your kind of trolling, so have fun with it....lol ;) Quote Most if not all stereotypes hold some truth. ?The politicians don't just want your money. They want your soul. They want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless. When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both.? ~ James Dale Davidson
Moderators IWS Posted August 11, 2009 Moderators Posted August 11, 2009 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64sd7k4M8E&feature=related]YouTube - Pee Wee & Frances[/ame] Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
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