Fullauto Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 Wow, thanks. I'll gladly send it - but please be aware it's in the early stages and is merely a draft document comprised of research notes and quotes.But you'll get my jist! Tim - I'm going to assume you're not being sarcastic and clarify that I'm actually advocating adopting a true-cost economic paradigm, which I can imagine you won't agree with. I'm glad you want to read it, but please try not to be overly critical/reactionary. It's just my opinion (which I am not sharing on this forum for obvious reasons). I'm not being sarcastic... I make it a point to read things that argue for things Im against... ya never know.... You may change my mind, or it may just sharpen my arguments... either way, I really am looking foward to reading your ideas... ps: My only REAL problem with real cost economics I can see it this... Who controls the price slider.... That would take control of prices out of the working man's hands and place it in the hands of a very powerful minority... That's the reason we are fighting a BAILOUT at the moment... I just think we should let supply and demand determine somethings value... Not some 'man behind the curtain' with an agenda, be it left OR right... But I really want to read it.... Maybe you should start a tread, and post some of your ideas.. let some people read it, question it, and force you to defend it... that is truly the best way to solidify your work.... I would be all to happy to try and sink your battleship... Quote "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." - The 14 Words ftp://fullauto.myftp.org/pub My FTP SITE ;)
Anna Perenna Posted September 30, 2008 Posted September 30, 2008 I would be all to happy to try and sink your battleship... My paper is not a battleship, it's just a personal idea and a proposal, which is precisely why I offered it to Wez alone. Clearly, I don't want to argue about it on this forum. And your post is precisely why I'll be sending it to Wez and Old Salt long before I send it to you - if I send it to you at all - because I'm not actually interested in your opinion on the matter. Not at this point in time, anyway. Quote As always occurred when he quarreled over principles in which he believed passionately, he would end up gasping furiously for air and blinking back bitter tears of conviction. There were many principles in which Clevinger believed passionately. He was crazy.
hugo Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 I don't really totally disagree with the basic theory behind true cost economics. Certainly, a transaction between two parties should not unduly burden a third party, Certainly, the true costs of a barrel of oil should include defense spending that is needed to insure oil availability. The problem is in the details such as determining the value of such things as a human life or a pristine lake. Quote I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. ? Will Rogers
snafu Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 I guess this bail out is starting to sink in now. The crisis is now so pronounced that doing nothing is not really a viable option. And what infuriates me to no end is the refusal by some members of Congress and taxpayers to recognize that the consequences of doing nothing will mean more economic hardship for all Americans, not just bank CEOs, traders and New York City. This isn't just a Wall Street bailout! - Sep. 30, 2008 Quote *NEVER FORGOTTEN*
Fullauto Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 My paper is not a battleship, it's just a personal idea and a proposal, which is precisely why I offered it to Wez alone.Clearly, I don't want to argue about it on this forum. And your post is precisely why I'll be sending it to Wez and Old Salt long before I send it to you - if I send it to you at all - because I'm not actually interested in your opinion on the matter. Not at this point in time, anyway. Point Taken... I wasn't really going to argue about it... just a turn of phrase... Quote "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." - The 14 Words ftp://fullauto.myftp.org/pub My FTP SITE ;)
Anna Perenna Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Point Taken... I wasn't really going to argue about it... just a turn of phrase... Ok. Sorry I was whack. Quote As always occurred when he quarreled over principles in which he believed passionately, he would end up gasping furiously for air and blinking back bitter tears of conviction. There were many principles in which Clevinger believed passionately. He was crazy.
Moderators IWS Posted October 2, 2008 Moderators Posted October 2, 2008 Ok. Sorry I was whack. Not whack. Just strong on your beliefs and sexy, too. :cool: Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
Anna Perenna Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Not whack. Just strong on your beliefs and sexy, too. :cool: I'm printing the screen and saving this for posterity/future proof - in case you come to your senses and decide to edit this post. ;) note to self: use the f-word on IWS more often Quote As always occurred when he quarreled over principles in which he believed passionately, he would end up gasping furiously for air and blinking back bitter tears of conviction. There were many principles in which Clevinger believed passionately. He was crazy.
Moderators IWS Posted October 2, 2008 Moderators Posted October 2, 2008 I'm printing the screen and saving this for posterity/future proof - in case you come to your senses and decide to edit this post. ;) note to self: use the f-word on IWS more often Never edited someones post in my life. If that was my nature I'd have done something in the "I hate IWS" fest TJ had in the IWS thread. Say what you want. I'll address it as it stands. Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
Anna Perenna Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Never edited someones post in my life. If that was my nature I'd have done something in the "I hate IWS" fest TJ had in the IWS thread.Say what you want. I'll undress you as you stand. You're right. Editing posts is a terrible thing .... I really do love you, you know. Quote As always occurred when he quarreled over principles in which he believed passionately, he would end up gasping furiously for air and blinking back bitter tears of conviction. There were many principles in which Clevinger believed passionately. He was crazy.
Anna Perenna Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Sorry, I mean: http://justbs.us/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://inventorspot.com/files/images/DogPoopILOVEU.img_assist_custom.jpg&key=990c8ccc5ddaef23958b99858b2c78ae20fa719a5866019e50a3589b2bd8e1df Quote As always occurred when he quarreled over principles in which he believed passionately, he would end up gasping furiously for air and blinking back bitter tears of conviction. There were many principles in which Clevinger believed passionately. He was crazy.
Moderators IWS Posted October 2, 2008 Moderators Posted October 2, 2008 Sorry' date=' I mean:[img']http://justbs.us/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://inventorspot.com/files/images/DogPoopILOVEU.img_assist_custom.jpg&key=990c8ccc5ddaef23958b99858b2c78ae20fa719a5866019e50a3589b2bd8e1df[/img] That kind of hurts. I really meant it when I said it, both to you and wez. Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
Anna Perenna Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 That kind of hurts. I really meant it when I said it, both to you and wez. I mean it with all my fart. Besides, love means so much more when you say it with poo. Which reminds me, you've stopped leaving the seat up for me. I'm starting to think you don't want me anymore .... Quote As always occurred when he quarreled over principles in which he believed passionately, he would end up gasping furiously for air and blinking back bitter tears of conviction. There were many principles in which Clevinger believed passionately. He was crazy.
snafu Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 I mean it with all my fart. Besides, love means so much more when you say it with poo. Which reminds me, you've stopped leaving the seat up for me. I'm starting to think you don't want me anymore .... Women fart? Quote *NEVER FORGOTTEN*
wez Posted October 2, 2008 Author Posted October 2, 2008 Women fart? Never! :rolleyes: Quote I'm sick in mind and spirit, the mirror tells me lies ~ Ozzy
Old Salt Posted October 2, 2008 Posted October 2, 2008 Food for thought: Announcement of plans for bailout - stock market tanks. House fails to pass bailout - stock market rallies. House talks about a re-vote - stock market falls again. Senate passes their version of bailout - stock market falls again. Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
wez Posted October 3, 2008 Author Posted October 3, 2008 Food for thought: Announcement of plans for bailout - stock market tanks. House fails to pass bailout - stock market rallies. House talks about a re-vote - stock market falls again. Senate passes their version of bailout - stock market falls again. well.. least no matter what I'm pretty certain the Earth wont fall out of orbit and the ground will still produce food.. So we got that going for us.. ;) Quote I'm sick in mind and spirit, the mirror tells me lies ~ Ozzy
wez Posted October 3, 2008 Author Posted October 3, 2008 Around the world, calls came for the U.S. House to pass the bailout bill, which would allow the Treasury to buy toxic debt from U.S. banks, a move that many say is needed to head off the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Jobs data weak; pressure mounts on Congress | Reuters Yeah... lets listen to European bankers... F*ck this sh*t.. What a joke. Tent + Mars = Heaven Quote I'm sick in mind and spirit, the mirror tells me lies ~ Ozzy
Moderators IWS Posted October 3, 2008 Moderators Posted October 3, 2008 On a good note, due to the slumping economy in the US, illegal immigration is down. Illegal immigrant inflow to the U.S. lags that of legal immigrantsA report by the Pew Hispanic Center shows a reversal of a trend that began in the '90s. By Cynthia Dizikes, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer October 3, 2008 WASHINGTON -- For the first time in a decade, the makeup of the U.S. immigrant population may be shifting, with the number of illegal immigrants entering the country falling behind the number of those entering legally, according to an independent report released Thursday. The swing, a possible result of the economic slump and a federal immigration crackdown, marks a reversal of a pattern begun in the 1990s, when the number of newly arrived illegal immigrants surpassed those arriving lawfully, according to the study by the Pew Hispanic Center, a Washington think tank. "This is a population that had been growing rapidly and substantially for at least 15 years, and the growth has essentially come to a halt in 2008," Illegal immigrant inflow to the U.S. lags that of legal immigrants - Los Angeles Times Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
wez Posted October 3, 2008 Author Posted October 3, 2008 On a good note' date=' due to the slumping economy in the US, illegal immigration is down.Illegal immigrant inflow to the U.S. lags that of legal immigrants - Los Angeles Times hahahaha... yep.. there's a reason even rats abandon a sinking ship.. :D Quote I'm sick in mind and spirit, the mirror tells me lies ~ Ozzy
wez Posted October 5, 2008 Author Posted October 5, 2008 So artifically propping up home prices is the answer? ... Yeah.. that's it. Whatevahhhhhh! For bailout to work, housing market needs to mend - MSNBC Wire Services - MSNBC.com Quote I'm sick in mind and spirit, the mirror tells me lies ~ Ozzy
Fullauto Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 So artifically propping up home prices is the answer? ... Yeah.. that's it. Whatevahhhhhh! For bailout to work, housing market needs to mend - MSNBC Wire Services - MSNBC.com If we prop up house prices, the transition to Communism is complete... Sayonara Free Market Economy! It was nice living within a system where hard work and natural talent pays off, but how will we ever ensure the social equality of the less qualified unless we reign in the talent a little!? We are the next European State... Quote "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children." - The 14 Words ftp://fullauto.myftp.org/pub My FTP SITE ;)
Moderators IWS Posted October 5, 2008 Moderators Posted October 5, 2008 Housing markets being artificially inflated is part of what got us in this problem. Peoples houses all of a sudden became worth far less than what they owed, even after years of making payments. Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
Old Salt Posted October 5, 2008 Posted October 5, 2008 It's genetically impossible for a politician or bureaucrat to learn from their mistakes. :( Especially when those mistakes buy them votes. Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
Members RoyalOrleans Posted October 6, 2008 Members Posted October 6, 2008 Housing markets being artificially inflated is part of what got us in this problem. Peoples houses all of a sudden became worth far less than what they owed, even after years of making payments. Now we must strip and bulldoze these houses, because their scrap is worth twice the deflated value. Quote http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5I0M6PKr5HM/SrZiXevwa5I/AAAAAAAAAIo/HZMRBP1nwyI/s200/obama-socialism-attacks-capitalism.jpg It's a mistake to think that poor people get the benefit from the welfare system. It's a total fraud. Most welfare go to the rich of this country: the military-industrial complex, the bankers, the foreign dictators, it's totally out of control. This idea that the government has services or goods that they can pass on is a complete farce. Governments have nothing. They can't create anything, they never have. All they can do is steal from one group and give it to another at the destruction of the principles of freedom, and we ought to challenge that concept. - Ron Paul
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