eddo Posted May 15, 2008 Posted May 15, 2008 OK what about hydrogen or water? This site claims give you a 50% increase in fuel economy. Water Car Run on WATER+Fuel. Hydrogen Save Gas=FREE ENERGY! They tried that on Mythbusters, and it didn't work so well. Quote I hate signatures, so I don't have one. wait....
snafu Posted May 16, 2008 Posted May 16, 2008 I rememeber seeing that episode but I couldn't remember if they tried the that one or not. Quote *NEVER FORGOTTEN*
eddo Posted May 16, 2008 Posted May 16, 2008 Yeah, they tried it Snafu, but they couldn't get the eloctrolisis to create enough hydrogey to do much of anything. Others have stated (and I have no idea for sure) that you need more energy to extract the hydrogen than you get from doing it, so it's a no win situation. Quote I hate signatures, so I don't have one. wait....
snafu Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 Yeah, they tried it Snafu, but they couldn't get the eloctrolisis to create enough hydrogey to do much of anything.Others have stated (and I have no idea for sure) that you need more energy to extract the hydrogen than you get from doing it, so it's a no win situation. Yeah your probably right. If it really made a difference you would think the car industry would be all over it by now. Quote *NEVER FORGOTTEN*
Phreakwars Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 I've heard many claims that the car makers have tons of patents on carberators and such that can easily get 100+ MPG. They bought them from other designers then stored them away from the public. . . Quote NewSucks500.com The return of the Suckage
Old Salt Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 I've heard many claims that the car makers have tons of patents on carberators and such that can easily get 100+ MPG. They bought them from other designers then stored them away from the public.. . Those stories have been around since I was a kid (and that's been a long, long time. :( ) Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
Moderators IWS Posted May 17, 2008 Author Moderators Posted May 17, 2008 Those stories have been around since I was a kid (and that's been a long, long time. :( ) Wow, gas was only like 16 cents per galllon back then too! :D Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
Old Salt Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 Wow, gas was only like 16 cents per galllon back then too! :D And it was 25 cents a gallon when I was in high school.:eek: Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
Old Salt Posted May 17, 2008 Posted May 17, 2008 And it was 25 cents a gallon when I was in high school.:eek: But there were gas wars when it got down to 10 cents a gallon, at times. Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
eddo Posted May 18, 2008 Posted May 18, 2008 First time I filled up my first truck it was $.99 a gallon. $16 for a full tank. Damn, I miss those days... Quote I hate signatures, so I don't have one. wait....
Moderators IWS Posted May 18, 2008 Author Moderators Posted May 18, 2008 When I first started driving, I could find .89 gas but most was .99 per gallon. Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
hugo Posted May 18, 2008 Posted May 18, 2008 And it was 25 cents a gallon when I was in high school.:eek: Things were a lot cheaper when Ole Honest Abe was Prez. Quote I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. ? Will Rogers
Old Salt Posted May 18, 2008 Posted May 18, 2008 Better believe it. :o Just saw the local paper today. It listed the most expensive gas prices by country: (These prices are by liter in USD. One gallon being approximately 3.8 liters.) Turkey $2.81 ($10.68 per gal) Holland $2.36 ($8.97 per gal) Germany $2.28 ($8.66 per gal) Belgium $2.23 ($8.47 per gal) UK, $2.16 ($8.21 per gal) Denmark $2.15 ($8.17 per gal) Iceland $2.13 ($8.09 per gal) Finland $2.11 ($8.02 per gal) Greece $1.98 ($7.52 per gal) The US didn't make the top 15. Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
Moderators IWS Posted May 18, 2008 Author Moderators Posted May 18, 2008 Better believe it. :o Just saw the local paper today. It listed the most expensive gas prices by country: (These prices are by liter in USD. One gallon being approximately 3.8 liters.) Turkey $2.81 ($10.68 per gal) Holland $2.36 ($8.97 per gal) Germany $2.28 ($8.66 per gal) Belgium $2.23 ($8.47 per gal) UK, $2.16 ($8.21 per gal) Denmark $2.15 ($8.17 per gal) Iceland $2.13 ($8.09 per gal) Finland $2.11 ($8.02 per gal) Greece $1.98 ($7.52 per gal) The US didn't make the top 15. Much of the price, in these countries doesn't come from the cost of oil, it's from taxes and fees. Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
Old Salt Posted May 18, 2008 Posted May 18, 2008 Much of the price, in these countries doesn't come from the cost of oil, it's from taxes and fees. That may be, but that's the price the consumer is paying. And the majority of these countries have a much lower per capita income than the US. Another reason is that there are far fewer refineries in Europe - high demand, low supply. Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
wez Posted May 21, 2008 Posted May 21, 2008 Better believe it. :o Just saw the local paper today. It listed the most expensive gas prices by country: (These prices are by liter in USD. One gallon being approximately 3.8 liters.) Turkey $2.81 ($10.68 per gal) Holland $2.36 ($8.97 per gal) Germany $2.28 ($8.66 per gal) Belgium $2.23 ($8.47 per gal) UK, $2.16 ($8.21 per gal) Denmark $2.15 ($8.17 per gal) Iceland $2.13 ($8.09 per gal) Finland $2.11 ($8.02 per gal) Greece $1.98 ($7.52 per gal) The US didn't make the top 15. These countries would be nice.. LAOS VIENTIANE $1.66 THAILAND BANGKOK $1.60 CHINA TIANJIN $1.54 CHINA SHANGHAI $1.48 RUSSIA MOSCOW $1.45 KAZAKHSTAN ALMATY $1.36 KAZAKHSTAN ATYRAU $1.35 TAJIKISTAN DUSHANBE $1.32 AZERBAIJAN BAKU $1.15 VENEZUELA CARACAS $0.14 .14 cents? Holy crap... Quote I'm sick in mind and spirit, the mirror tells me lies ~ Ozzy
Old Salt Posted May 21, 2008 Posted May 21, 2008 These countries would be nice.. LAOS VIENTIANE $1.66 THAILAND BANGKOK $1.60 CHINA TIANJIN $1.54 CHINA SHANGHAI $1.48 RUSSIA MOSCOW $1.45 KAZAKHSTAN ALMATY $1.36 KAZAKHSTAN ATYRAU $1.35 TAJIKISTAN DUSHANBE $1.32 AZERBAIJAN BAKU $1.15 VENEZUELA CARACAS $0.14 .14 cents? Holy crap... These countries are highly subsidized. As for the 14 cents, it's just another way the dictator, oops - president, buys his people's loyalty. Oh, yeah. That's still the price per Liter, isn't it?By the way, a good portion of the cars in Turkey are converted to run on both gas and LPG. All of the taxis are. Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
Old Salt Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 Here's an interesting article: Toyota's New Fuel Cell Hybrid Goes Twice the Distance of Previous Model - AOL Autos Toyota has developed a new fuel cell hybrid, a green car powered by hydrogen and electricity, that can travel more than twice the distance of its predecessor model without filling up, the automaker said Friday. The improved model's maximum cruising range is 516 miles (830 kilometers) compared with 205 miles (330 kilometers) for Toyota's previous fuel cell model, the maker of the Camry sedan and Lexus luxury cars said in a statement. Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
Moderators IWS Posted June 9, 2008 Author Moderators Posted June 9, 2008 Here's an interesting article:Toyota's New Fuel Cell Hybrid Goes Twice the Distance of Previous Model - AOL Autos That's way better than the current range of Chevy's Equinox SUV fuel cell vehicle that only, currently has a 150 mile range per fill up. I know they are working on that before the public release for sale but it would be nice if some of these companies would work together to advance their technology. Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
Old Salt Posted June 9, 2008 Posted June 9, 2008 It probably goes further because it's smaller and lighter. I agree. If two or three of the major players were to pool their knowledge and form a synicate to develop new technologies, they could probably come up with a successor to the internal combustion engine in a very short timeframe. Working by themselves, I don't think there will be any major, cost-effective breakthrough for 10-15 years. All of the auto makers would benefit and the ones who aren't involved in the development could pay a licensing fee to help defray costs. But that's just my opinion. Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
Old Salt Posted June 13, 2008 Posted June 13, 2008 So, the US is exporting biofuels to Europe. About 100M tons a year now and the EU is calling it unfair trading because the US subsidizes it and it's eligible for an EU subsidy. Just another way for the oil companies to make money? Quote Been wrong before, could be wrong now, will probably be wrong again. Don't take yourself so dang seriously. ;)
Anna Perenna Posted June 16, 2008 Posted June 16, 2008 Working by themselves' date=' I don't think there will be any major, [i']cost-effective [/i]breakthrough for 10-15 years. But that's just my opinion. I think you're right, which is why researchers need to look at short-term solutions as well as long-term solutions (eg - hydrogen technology). But being a greenie, I also think there needs to be simultaneous research into the environmental impacts of biofuel production (even the land-use change causes an exorbitant amount of damage), not to mention research into the environmental impacts of coal seam methane extraction. At the moment, in Australia, there are a lot of forums on new energy solutions and the peak oil theory, but nobody is able to pinpoint one particular energy solution that would be best for "right now". I like the idea of geothermal energy but, like hydrogen technology, I don't see it eventuating for at least 20 years. Quote As always occurred when he quarreled over principles in which he believed passionately, he would end up gasping furiously for air and blinking back bitter tears of conviction. There were many principles in which Clevinger believed passionately. He was crazy.
Moderators IWS Posted November 24, 2010 Author Moderators Posted November 24, 2010 http://justbs.us/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CfxSWwq8cVo/TOqYPizOGNI/AAAAAAAACSU/jfCufAHNOaM/s640/An%2BInconvenient%2BCorncob.jpg&key=6f579f741023a1f20d637af4a29eda69c5fef03dbd98e4375c599ef7740a809c Quote One of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.? ~ Thomas Sowell
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