I am using the proper labels to help identify who has done what Wez. It is not meaningless to identify who made the promise to keep unimployment below 8% and if that promise was good or not.
What are their human, individual, specific names? Do you have verification/proof of an "I promise employment will stay below 8% if you elect me"?
You want everyone to ignore the faile promised and failures by not identifying the people who are responsible. You dodged my direct question Wez. If the "stimulus package" had worked as promised, would you say that success was because of Bush?
What are the human, individual, specific names of the people you are identifying?
Since the "stimulus package" was instituted and begun under the Bush Presidency, addressed by him in a speech to the nation before Obama was ever elected, why are you excusing Bush from any liability for it's utter failure?
Furthermore, why aren't you taking it one step farther and blanketing "conservatives" in your rantings of the past 2 years?
Of course not, if it had worked as promised the Progressives would be strutting around like proud roosters and all you would hear on the campaign trail is how smart they were. So if they would have taken the praise and credit for it's success, why do you feel it is unfair to give them the blame for it's failure?
So you're upset over speculations as to what credit someone might had taken had something been a raging success that was instituted under the Bush Presidency which in reality is an utter failure?
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Now.. Lets break my question down and look at your answers.
wez: Who are the individual human beings that you think should be held accountable?
TJ: We should hold accountable those who created the failed promises and policies.
wez: what should they be held accountable for?
TJ: They should be held accountable for their actual actions as proven by their own words to make promises that they broke.
wez: What should be done to them?
TJ: They should be taken to task for their failures and in this case taken out of power because of their mistakes.
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errrrr.. K.. Who specifically, by individual legal name should be held accountable for failed promises and policies?
What exact, specific actions and promises other than "keeping unemployment under 8%" are you referring to? Please provide proof of the unemployment "promise" as well as any others you specifically identify.
Please specifically define exactly what "taken to task" entails and subsequently, what individual, specific, legal named person/s should replace them?
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What lie Wez? Bush said exactly the same things Bill Clinton and the rest of the Progressives said before he ever took office. If there was a lie it was created by someone other than Bush and Company. For Bush to have spoken a lie he would have to have independent knowledge outside of the intelligence circles President Clinton and even people like Pelosi had. Congress is entitled to their own intelligence meetings away from the President and all of them agreed before Bush took office that there were weapons of mass destruction.
Even Al Gore said we needed to take out Suddam so there was no lie Wez. I know you desperately want to believe there was a lie, but the facts are the facts. Are you trying to say Bill Clinton, Pelosi, Reid, Al Gore, all of these Progressives were puppets for Bush before Bush ever took office?
You can't be saying that now can you?
For one, Bush was specifically told by intelligence that the yellowcake rumors out of Niger were total BS and held no basis in fact, yet he chose to go before the nation and claim otherwise. The intel came from Joe Wilson, who subsequently outed this utter lie and questioned the basis to declare war which lead to repercussions of having his wife, Valerie Plame, outed by someone in the Bush administration as a CIA operative, which is a serious crime and nothing short of treason.
Read about it here..
Irony: Bush Administration excoriated over questionable "yellowcake" in Plame affair
Most interesting was this part..
The irony ? From the India Times, we now find that one of the larger stockpiles of ?yellowcake uranium,? belongs to the failed Lehman Brothers, a financial institution which was one of the first companies crushed under the current financial crisis associated with mortgage loans. For some inexplicable reason, the United States Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank decided not to ?bailout? Lehman Brothers ? but went on to bailout almost every other major investment house. This prompted many to speculate that the attempts to bailout Lehman were somehow rooted in their rivalry with Goldman Sachs whose former officials were now deeply connected with the government.?Failed investment bank Lehman Brothers sits not only on toxic sub-prime mortgage loans but also toxic nuclear stockpile.?
?According to reports, the bankrupt bank holds up to 450,000 pounds of uranium ? called yellowcake ? which can be upgraded to run nuclear plants and make nuclear weapons.?
"?It turns out we were looking in the wrong place for weapons of mass destruction,' said the New York Post on Wednesday in a sarcastic comment on the invasion of Iraq in search of Saddam Hussein's non-existent deadly arsenal. ?They were not in Iraq. They were in Lehman Brothers' portfolio.?"
What, were they gonna make up their losses selling uranium? Take a read..
And stop with the "would they sacrifice themselves" bull sh!t, like Obama wouls give up his life or something. There is no way to appease the middle east, we are infidels and there is no degree of pacification that will ever elevate any of us above that unless we convert to Islam.
Would they sacrifice themselves for the good of their country? What Obama would do is irrelevant to my question. He didn't declare war based on fraud and run around the Middle East acting like a tough guy with other peoples kids.
I can guarantee you if we handed over Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld as the war criminals they are, admitted our wrongdoing, and apologized, relations would improve. Even if they didn't, it's the right thing to do.
I really don't think your statement of conversion is accurate in any way, shape, or form. I do believe after more than a 1/2 century of interference by our government in their part of the world they just want to be left the f*uck alone.
I'd more suspect that you'll never be happy until all Muslims are converted to Christianity or dead, yet you claim it's them?
Have they had military bases in your backyard for a 1/2 century to exploit natural resources? Have they been waging multiple wars in your front yard over the past 40 years? Have they been instigating and taking sides in wars between the US and Canada, the US and Mexico, or Canada and Mexico during the last 50 years like we've been doing and justifying it by claiming we want to convert them from Heathens to Christianity?
They are not you. Wake up and take a look in the mirror.
