Obama Moritorium on Drilling May Cost Tens of Thousands of Jobs

[hugo]

I'm quite curious as to why the only people that seem to be causing problems are "liberals". I'm sure others are responsible in their own ways.

You'll soon learn the gospel according to TimesJoke and IWS:

"Liberals" are to blame for absolutely everything

Actually, global warming is due entirely to natural causes and it is only everything else that liberals are to blame for. Not sure why we don't just execute all the liberals in the name of liberty.

 

[IWS]

I'm quite curious as to why the only people that seem to be causing problems are "liberals". I'm sure others are responsible in their own ways.

You'll soon learn the gospel according to TimesJoke and IWS:

"Liberals" are to blame for absolutely everything

Actually, global warming is due entirely to natural causes and it is only everything else that liberals are to blame for. Not sure why we don't just execute all the liberals in the name of liberty.

Actually, everything causes global warming and also is the result of global warming, and is George W. Bush's fault.

 

[Times]

I'm quite curious as to why the only people that seem to be causing problems are "liberals". I'm sure others are responsible in their own ways.

The liberals are in power "right now" and as a part of being in power is you have to take the blame for what you control.

The things I and many other hold dear are things such as freedoms and the ability to stand on my own two feet and find success/failure according to my own abilities in life. Liberals/socialists/progressives are the exact opposite of what so many people like me believe in where their main focus is "social justice" where they feel the only reason people are poor is because other people hold them down. These folks impede my success (by asking for more and more taxes from my pocket and oppressive legislation that kills jobs) and they remove the freedoms that I and many other people hold dear.

I was just as critical against past "so called" Republicans like Bush when he supported things like the amnesty bill, I don't "just" call out the Liberals, but it is "MOSTLY" those kinds of people who want to eliminate freedoms for everyone else. If they were only taking away their freedoms I would not mind, but when they want to give away mine, I will speak out against that.

 

[RaE]

I'm quite curious as to why the only people that seem to be causing problems are "liberals". I'm sure others are responsible in their own ways.

You'll soon learn the gospel according to TimesJoke and IWS:

"Liberals" are to blame for absolutely everything

Actually, global warming is due entirely to natural causes and it is only everything else that liberals are to blame for. Not sure why we don't just execute all the liberals in the name of liberty.

ROFL! That's great.

Actually' date=' everything causes global warming and also is the result of global warming, and is George W. Bush's fault.[/quote']HILARIOUS!

edit: and true!

 

[Times]

I just think it is funny as hell that some idiots still believe there is such a thing as "man caused" global warming.

Enough facts have been revealed to prove that all of this was simply an elaborate Hoax designed to make money and gain political power. More and more hard scientists have distanced themselves away from this topic and even if they will not directly speak against it, they are not supporting it like they used to so the only people still being vocal in supporting this farce are politicians, people who make billions on the "alternatives" like Al Gore, or scientists who will lose grants (no paychecks) if they admit there is no "man caused" global warming.

 

[RaE]

I just think it is funny as hell that some idiots still believe there is such a thing as "man caused" global warming.

Enough facts have been revealed to prove that all of this was simply an elaborate Hoax designed to make money and gain political power. More and more hard scientists have distanced themselves away from this topic and even if they will not directly speak against it, they are not supporting it like they used to so the only people still being vocal in supporting this farce are politicians, people who make billions on the "alternatives" like Al Gore, or scientists who will lose grants (no paychecks) if they admit there is no "man caused" global warming.

Agreed.

 

[Anna Perenna]

Unfortunately for the two ignorant mutants above me - but fortunately for humanity - the IPCC takes a different view.

http://www.ipcc.ch/

 

[hugo]

Unfortunately for the two ignorant mutants above me - but fortunately for humanity - the IPCC takes a different view.

http://www.ipcc.ch/

Do you consider the International Party of Crazed Communists a credible source?

 

[Times]

Unfortunately for the two ignorant mutants above me - but fortunately for humanity - the IPCC takes a different view.

http://www.ipcc.ch/

The IPCC is made up of people who "WANT" man caused global warming to be true, there have been hundreds of real scientists who have complained about how the IPCC ignores the concerns made by them during their so called "peer review". If the reviews are ignored, then their findings are nothing but political propaganda. Your biggest problem is your opinions on this subject is completely controlled by people who make massive amounts of money off of this "man caused" global warming. If you go outside of those who make money off of it, suddenly the opinions change:

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.SenateReport#report

Israel: Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem has authored almost 70 peer-reviewed studies and won several awards. "First, temperature changes, as well as rates of temperature changes (both increase and decrease) of magnitudes similar to that reported by IPCC to have occurred since the Industrial revolution (about 0.8C in 150 years or even 0.4C in the last 35 years) have occurred in Earth's climatic history. There's nothing special about the recent rise!"

Russia: Russian scientist Dr. Oleg Sorochtin of the Institute of Oceanology at the Russian Academy of Sciences has authored more than 300 studies, nine books, and a 2006 paper titled The Evolution and the Prediction of Global Climate Changes on Earth. "Even if the concentration of "greenhouse gases" double man would not perceive the temperature impact," Sorochtin wrote.

Netherlands: Atmospheric scientist Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, a scientific pioneer in the development of numerical weather prediction and former director of research at The Netherlands' Royal National Meteorological Institute, and an internationally recognized expert in atmospheric boundary layer processes, "I protest vigorously the idea that the climate reacts like a home heating system to a changed setting of the thermostat: just turn the dial, and the desired temperature will soon be reached."

Canada: IPCC 2007 Expert Reviewer Madhav Khandekar, a Ph.D meteorologist, a scientist with the Natural Resources Stewardship Project who has over 45 years experience in climatology, meteorology and oceanography, and who has published nearly 100 papers, reports, book reviews and a book on Ocean Wave Analysis and Modeling: "To my dismay, IPCC authors ignored all my comments and suggestions for major changes in the FOD (First Order Draft) and sent me the SOD (Second Order Draft) with essentially the same text as the FOD. None of the authors of the chapter bothered to directly communicate with me (or with other expert reviewers with whom I communicate on a regular basis) on many issues that were raised in my review. This is not an acceptable scientific review process."

 

[IWS]

First rig sails away over drilling ban Lawmakers and experts fear loss is only the start of offshore exodus

By JENNIFER A. DLOUHY

WASHINGTON BUREAU

July 9, 2010, 8:28PM

WASHINGTON ? Diamond Offshore announced Friday that its Ocean Endeavor drilling rig will leave the Gulf of Mexico and move to Egyptian waters immediately ? making it the first to abandon the United States in the wake of the BP oil spill and a ban on deep-water drilling.

And the Ocean Endeavor's exodus probably won't be the last, according to oil industry officials and Gulf Coast leaders who warn that other companies eager to find work for the now-idled rigs are considering moving them outside the U.S.

Devon Energy Corp. had been leasing the Endeavor to drill in the same region of the Gulf as BP's leaking Macondo well, which has been gushing crude since a lethal blowout April 20.

But Diamond announced Friday it will lease the rig through June 30, 2011, to Cairo-based Burullus Gas Co., which plans to send the Endeavor to Egyptian waters immediately.

http://www.chron.com...ss/7101738.html

 

[IWS]

It just keeps getting better...

U.S. Backs $1B Loan to Mexico for Oil Drilling Despite Obama Moratorium

Published September 11, 2010| FoxNews.com

Workers stand by the top drive of a drill on an idle oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico near Port Fourchon, Louisiana August 11, 2010. (Reuters)

Despite President Obama's moratorium on U.S. deepwater drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, the U.S. Export-Import Bank intends to guarantee $1 billion in loans to PEMEX, the Mexican state oil company, to bolster the company's oil drilling in the region.

The bank, which is the official American export credit agency, loaned more than $1 billion to PEMEX in 2009 -- when the company was the bank's largest borrower -- in support of its drilling activities. That year, the bank also guaranteed two loans totaling $300 million made by a commercial lender.

The latest request comes during a drilling moratorium that was first imposed by Obama in May to find out what was the cause behind the April 20 Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion killed 11 workers and led to 206 million gallons of oil spewing from BP's undersea well.

After a federal court struck down the ban amid complaints that it threatened thousands of jobs in the offshore oil industry, the Obama administration issued a new moratorium in July on most deep-water drilling activities that is in effect until Nov. 30.

The Export-Import Bank said the moratorium doesn't affect its pending deal with PEMEX.

"None of these projects involve deepwater drilling," bank spokeswoman Maura Policelli told FoxNews.com in an e-mail.

The $1 billion deal is awaiting approval by the bank's board, which is expected to reach a final decision by Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year. Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

http://www.foxnews.c...ama-moratorium/

 

[Builder]

The bank, which is the official American export credit agency,.......

Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

What's the story? It's the official export credit agency, which is an independent agency?

Clarification?

 

[jokersarewild]

The bank, which is the official American export credit agency,.......

Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

What's the story? It's the official export credit agency, which is an independent agency?

Clarification?

Haha. How dare you show IWS that his story had absolutely no point or relevance!

 

[Times]

The bank, which is the official American export credit agency,.......

Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

What's the story? It's the official export credit agency, which is an independent agency?

Clarification?

Haha. How dare you show IWS that his story had absolutely no point or relevance!

Can you two really be that slow?

 

[IWS]

The bank, which is the official American export credit agency,.......

Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

What's the story? It's the official export credit agency, which is an independent agency?

Clarification?

Haha. How dare you show IWS that his story had absolutely no point or relevance!

You both are dumbasses.

The Import-Export bank is an independent AGENCY of the United States Government, not a private company. It isn't subject to Congressional Approval for making loans. The federal government is loaning money to a Mexican oil company to drill for oil in the Gulf of Mexico, while US companies can't do so, in turn they will sell the oil to us, for a premium.

 

[Builder]

You both are dumbasses.

So this is the kind of response I can expect from a moderator when I ask for clarification?

The Import-Export bank is an independent AGENCY of the United States Government, not a private company. It isn't subject to Congressional Approval for making loans.

So why not crow about the agency, rather than the government? If Congress doesn't have anything to do with it, what makes you so sure that the President is directing the agency?

The federal government is loaning money to a Mexican oil company to drill for oil in the Gulf of Mexico, while US companies can't do so, in turn they will sell the oil to us, for a premium.

It's called "outsourcing", IWS. Those Mexicans work for a lot less than US workers. The oil will probably end up being cheaper. Whether that affects the end-user will be up to the Oil company selling it, rather than the President, who probably has nothing at all to do with the decision.

Now, if you can tie Obama to the decision, your post might have some relevance. If you can't tie Obama to the decision. apologise to the handful of members left on this board, for introducing meaningless propaganda to the "debate".

 

[jokersarewild]

The bank, which is the official American export credit agency,.......

Because the bank is an independent agency, the deal is not subject to congressional approval.

What's the story? It's the official export credit agency, which is an independent agency?

Clarification?

Haha. How dare you show IWS that his story had absolutely no point or relevance!

You both are dumbasses.

The Import-Export bank is an independent AGENCY of the United States Government, not a private company. It isn't subject to Congressional Approval for making loans. The federal government is loaning money to a Mexican oil company to drill for oil in the Gulf of Mexico, while US companies can't do so, in turn they will sell the oil to us, for a premium.

News Story Title:

U.S. Backs $1B Loan to Mexico for Oil Drilling Despite Obama Moratorium

"None of these projects involve deepwater drilling," bank spokeswoman Maura Policelli told FoxNews.com in an e-mail.

So the Obama Moratorium has NOTHING TO DO with this, and Fox News just basically made the story "something", because it's a slow news day.

Yeah, you post a story that has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING, and I'm a dumbass. Sure, buddy, whatever you want.

 

[Times]

So this is the kind of response I can expect from a moderator when I ask for clarification?

Don't feel bad, anyone who does not agree with him is called names, it is part of his charm.

That said your question was pretty stupid, it is called english, read the information provided and try to understand what is actually there in front of you.

So why not crow about the agency, rather than the government? If Congress doesn't have anything to do with it, what makes you so sure that the President is directing the agency?

I know your from a insignificant Country but even you should know that all agencies end up with the President as the boss.

Nothing is done unless it is approved by the administration, now that does not mean every single issue is brought to the President, but like any chain of command, the lower leval may make a decision, but the boss is still the boss and ultimately responsible for that decision. If he put a dumbazz in that office to make that stupid move, then that is also his fault.

But, I can't believe something this big was not at least run past Obama for his nod.

It's called "outsourcing", IWS. Those Mexicans work for a lot less than US workers. The oil will probably end up being cheaper. Whether that affects the end-user will be up to the Oil company selling it, rather than the President, who probably has nothing at all to do with the decision.

So we ended drilling in the Gulf because it was too dangerious, but we loan Mexico to drill in the Gulf of Mexico.....because why? Does Obama think the Mexicans can drill in the Gulf safer than anyone else?

You need to pay better attention, your missing some very easy points being made.

Now, if you can tie Obama to the decision, your post might have some relevance. If you can't tie Obama to the decision. apologise to the handful of members left on this board, for introducing meaningless propaganda to the "debate".

So are your going to apologise to the board for missing such easy points and creating this crybaby mess?

Obama is the boss of all areas of the Government, he is tied to every decision either directly or indirectly by his personal placement of those who make those decisions and answer to him. As I said before, it is not very likely something this big was not run up the flagpole for Obama to approve.

So the Obama Moratorium has NOTHING TO DO with this, and Fox News just basically made the story "something", because it's a slow news day.

Yeah, you post a story that has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING, and I'm a dumbass. Sure, buddy, whatever you want.

The story had a lot to do with this and even a few smaller ripples than the obvious ones, the bigger one being that our Government is once again eliminating jobs for Americans but helping another Country boost their jobs and at the same time being as we buy a lot of their oil, we will also be paying the salaries of those workers while we are paying unemployment benefits for the workers Obama forced out of a job......

And the entire reason for Obama blocking the drilling in the Gulf was that it is unsafe......but he is now helping to fund drilling in the Gulf by someone else? If it is okay for them, why not let us do it and give Americans a chance to work?

 

[eddo]

You both are dumbasses.

So this is the kind of response I can expect from a moderator when I ask for clarification?

His being a mod has little to do with you being a dumbass.

I'm sure that's Bush's fault too, huh?

:whistling:

 

[Builder]

Nothing is done unless it is approved by the administration,

At what level are you assuming these admin decisions are made?

You really think the prez signs off on your nipple clamp purchase?