Progressive Killer
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Hey, I said I was sorry too, don't forget that.......lol.Write this date downoops, I thought eddo was calling the TARP a stimulus, I was wrong, sorry eddo.......
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Hey, I said I was sorry too, don't forget that.......lol.Write this date downoops, I thought eddo was calling the TARP a stimulus, I was wrong, sorry eddo.......
Really? So what legislation did the Democrats in control for those last 2 years create that caused the downturn?Come on, spit it out, name 1 thing if you wanna try that BS line.hmmm, for almost 2 years ow Dems have had control of the House, the Senate and the White House.So where are the jobs TJ?A bunch of hot air, blah blah blah....
So the solution is a simple one at first, get out of the way. Reward business people to invest their money, get the cycle started again where people feel confident to invest their money and the jobs will start rebuilding in the private sector again.
Been there, done that.. where are the jobs?
And all IWS has ever posted are the same damn GOP talking points.. tax cuts, tax cuts, like were gonna tax cut our way out of a bad economy.
As for STEALING Republican ideas... sh*t. What does THAT matter, the Republicans still say NO.
It's been that way for the last 2 years. He crosses party lines, proposes REPUBLICAN ideas, they STILL say NO. Simply because they WANT America to fail.
These are the same assholes that want power back because they can complain 24-7 about the guy in office?
Ahh hell no, the voters aren't THAT stupid.
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and it's the Republican's fault nothing is getting done?
How the hell does that work????
Pretty sure that Fannie and Freddy and the housing regulations for the banks that were the cause of the economic collapse, were opposed by Republicans.Really? So what legislation did the Democrats in control for those last 2 years create that caused the downturn?Come on, spit it out, name 1 thing if you wanna try that BS line.hmmm, for almost 2 years ow Dems have had control of the House, the Senate and the White House.So where are the jobs TJ?A bunch of hot air, blah blah blah....
So the solution is a simple one at first, get out of the way. Reward business people to invest their money, get the cycle started again where people feel confident to invest their money and the jobs will start rebuilding in the private sector again.
Been there, done that.. where are the jobs?
And all IWS has ever posted are the same damn GOP talking points.. tax cuts, tax cuts, like were gonna tax cut our way out of a bad economy.
As for STEALING Republican ideas... sh*t. What does THAT matter, the Republicans still say NO.
It's been that way for the last 2 years. He crosses party lines, proposes REPUBLICAN ideas, they STILL say NO. Simply because they WANT America to fail.
These are the same assholes that want power back because they can complain 24-7 about the guy in office?
Ahh hell no, the voters aren't THAT stupid.
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and it's the Republican's fault nothing is getting done?
How the hell does that work????
Fact are facts, the bad economy was 100% Republican, and 100% what TJ, you, IWS and others want again.
Still don't see that answer... WHERE ARE THE JOBS?
Where are all these great jobs that were created?
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How would you know? There hasn't been one in over a hundred years.Still wanna know where those jobs are... all I get is finger pointing.
If you guys wanna back up your claims of how great the free market is, show me the jobs. Just saying it is, doesn't make it so.
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Really? Yet this ANCIENT form of government will work today? You can't show any evidence that it works, can't show where people were gettings jobs, can't show where the economy was climbing with that method, but I should just take it to heart that the free market is the way to go... EVEN THOUGH... every time anything is deregulated, it gets messed up... INCLUDING Fannie and Freddie which you like to use as an example..How would you know? There hasn't been one in over a hundred years.Still wanna know where those jobs are... all I get is finger pointing.
If you guys wanna back up your claims of how great the free market is, show me the jobs. Just saying it is, doesn't make it so.
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Being as you completely ignore every example shown you, it is no surprise that you can't see how anything but socialist ideas are valid. IWS just showed you a great example of how the housing market crash was delivered to us through the fannie/freddie mess caused by the Democrats, and you don't even care.Really? Yet this ANCIENT form of government will work today? You can't show any evidence that it works, can't show where people were gettings jobs, can't show where the economy was climbing with that method, but I should just take it to heart that the free market is the way to go... EVEN THOUGH... every time anything is deregulated, it gets messed up... INCLUDING Fannie and Freddie which you like to use as an example..How would you know? There hasn't been one in over a hundred years.Still wanna know where those jobs are... all I get is finger pointing.
If you guys wanna back up your claims of how great the free market is, show me the jobs. Just saying it is, doesn't make it so.
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Deregulated by progressives, at least get that part right Phreakwars, be big enough to admit that when the conservatives tried to head off the mess, it was the Democrats who haulted the attempts and caused the massive free fall decline that came later. But you can't admit that can you Phreakwars? Your just so self-deluded you can't see any solution to a problem unless it involves your progressives holding the reigns.So you admit it was a "DEREGULATED" Freddy and Fannie? See, sorry, you can call those "liberal" organizations if it comforts you, but the fact remains... they, as well as every other business in America, were allowed to run wild without over site or intervention, and they fukked up. Still wanna see those jobs. Come on TJ, be the first right winger EVER on all of the forums I visit to show me where that method created jobs. Where are the jobs?
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Or hey, if he even had some sources. Where's the racism? Where did Repubs try to pass reform?So you admit it was a "DEREGULATED" Freddy and Fannie? See, sorry, you can call those "liberal" organizations if it comforts you, but the fact remains... they, as well as every other business in America, were allowed to run wild without over site or intervention, and they fukked up. Still wanna see those jobs. Come on TJ, be the first right winger EVER on all of the forums I visit to show me where that method created jobs. Where are the jobs?
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Your lack of even a basic education on the issues is truly shocking, well, considering your educated in California I guess it should be expected:Or hey, if he even had some sources. Where's the racism? Where did Repubs try to pass reform?So you admit it was a "DEREGULATED" Freddy and Fannie? See, sorry, you can call those "liberal" organizations if it comforts you, but the fact remains... they, as well as every other business in America, were allowed to run wild without over site or intervention, and they fukked up. Still wanna see those jobs. Come on TJ, be the first right winger EVER on all of the forums I visit to show me where that method created jobs. Where are the jobs?
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So where are the jobs?Is that Fannie and Freddy's fault too?Do you want jobs created Phreakwars? Then give the 'rich' a reason to make jobs, let them make a profit and they will create jobs
You just described Obama's plan to give tax rebates to businesses if they hire people. :lol:Dumb ass right wing logic:
Give rich guys more money to hire more people to build more products that people can't afford to buy because they don't have jobs.
So how does that work anyway?
Oh look, I just hired 25 more employees with a big .gov tax break, that's 25 more employees to make sh*t that isn't selling because the economy fukking sucks.
Yeah, some help that is.
Dumb ass right wingers love speaking out for their own enslavement to the rich, they even DEMAND to be enslaved.
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Where is the profit in creating a job under an administration and congress that is jumping at any excuse to demonize the private sector? There will not be any big flow of jobs until the Progressives stop treating the job creaters as the enemy.So where are the jobs?Is that Fannie and Freddy's fault too?Do you want jobs created Phreakwars? Then give the 'rich' a reason to make jobs, let them make a profit and they will create jobs
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No, you keep missing the point, as usual, I don't want the Government to give anyone a dime of taxpayer money, I want the Government to let job creators "keep more of the money they earned".Dumb ass right wing logic:
Give rich guys more money to hire more people to build more products that people can't afford to buy because they don't have jobs.
Easy, stop trying to punish people just because they are creating jobs and being successful. It is called positive reinforcement, the Government can reward those who create jobs and guess what, you reward them with their own money and it does not cost the Government a dime.So how does that work anyway?
And those new 25 workers are off the Government tit and at the same time they are earning money that the Government is now able to collect taxes from.Oh look, I just hired 25 more employees with a big .gov tax break, that's 25 more employees to make sh*t that isn't selling because the economy fukking sucks.
Getting people off welfare and working in the private sector is the only help we can possibly have, the only thing the Government can give us is more poverty, as it is right now, and how all of California has found out.Yeah, some help that is.
If you think having a private sector job is being a slave, I guess your entitled to your opinion, but everything you offer as an alternative is even stricter enslavement to the Government whewre elitists like Obama and Al Gore mandate down to the masses what you can do, how you can do it, and when it is to be done. Letting the Governemtn enslave us is definately not going to give us prosperity, because they don't really believe in prosperity.Dumb ass right wingers love speaking out for their own enslavement to the rich, they even DEMAND to be enslaved.
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It's better then giving a tax break for "PROMISES PROMISES" to create jobs with an end result of hoarding away profits in the Cayman Islands. At least this way, the employer would have something to show for to earn the tax break..You just described Obama's plan to give tax rebates to businesses if they hire people. :lol:Dumb ass right wing logic:
Give rich guys more money to hire more people to build more products that people can't afford to buy because they don't have jobs.
So how does that work anyway?
Oh look, I just hired 25 more employees with a big .gov tax break, that's 25 more employees to make sh*t that isn't selling because the economy fukking sucks.
Yeah, some help that is.
Dumb ass right wingers love speaking out for their own enslavement to the rich, they even DEMAND to be enslaved.
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Hm. Watching that, I'm sensing that there's more to it than just the Dems being morons. The lack of continuous video i.e. the cuts between clips, make me suspicious of the whole thing. And on the surface, it does seem like they're saying there's nothing wrong with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac.Your lack of even a basic education on the issues is truly shocking, well, considering your educated in California I guess it should be expected:Or hey, if he even had some sources. Where's the racism? Where did Repubs try to pass reform?So you admit it was a "DEREGULATED" Freddy and Fannie? See, sorry, you can call those "liberal" organizations if it comforts you, but the fact remains... they, as well as every other business in America, were allowed to run wild without over site or intervention, and they fukked up. Still wanna see those jobs. Come on TJ, be the first right winger EVER on all of the forums I visit to show me where that method created jobs. Where are the jobs?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs
No. It's not. What you keep describing, and what the Obama admin keeps prescribing, is central planning. We're going to take a bunch of your money in taxes, but if you do what we say you should do in your business, we'll give you some of your money back. We know better than you how to run your business.It's better then giving a tax break for "PROMISES PROMISES" to create jobs with an end result of hoarding away profits in the Cayman Islands. At least this way, the employer would have something to show for to earn the tax break..You just described Obama's plan to give tax rebates to businesses if they hire people. :lol:Dumb ass right wing logic:
Give rich guys more money to hire more people to build more products that people can't afford to buy because they don't have jobs.
So how does that work anyway?
Oh look, I just hired 25 more employees with a big .gov tax break, that's 25 more employees to make sh*t that isn't selling because the economy fukking sucks.
Yeah, some help that is.
Dumb ass right wingers love speaking out for their own enslavement to the rich, they even DEMAND to be enslaved.
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These things last days sometimes, the only way to show the meat of the meetings is to use segments. I am sure you can find an old archive of the entire hearings if you really want to.Hm. Watching that, I'm sensing that there's more to it than just the Dems being morons. The lack of continuous video i.e. the cuts between clips, make me suspicious of the whole thing. And on the surface, it does seem like they're saying there's nothing wrong with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac.
Your not keeping up with the point, slow down and stop looking for excuses to protect your progressives.Suspicious like when Meeks is "beating up on the regulator". He's questioning why they should listen to OFHEO, and give them regulatory power, as this would be their fault in the first place.
They were manipulated because the OFHEO had no real power over them, think of it like the weapons inspectors in Iraq, they were told to look around but they were kicked out over and over and blocked from seeing certain things.Shay says that OFHEO has been manipulated for years by Fannie Mae, which is the same regulatory group who the Republicans insist should have more power. The question there is whether they'd still be able to manipulate them, as they were filthy rich.
Your nieve.Also, part of the video says that Raines is saying that houses aren't risky investments. I doubt Raines is that stupid. It seems more likely that he's talking about how the loans they give are backed by the government, so they are riskless in that they're always backed by money somehow.