Obama gives progressives the finger and switches political parties

[hugo]

The bill is fiscally irresponsible. Noone should support it. The whole tax system must be overhauled.

 

[Phreakwars]

I wanna know WHO supports it. What Senator put his name on it wanting to give the wealthy tax cuts they neither want, nor need. Who was it that said it would be a great idea and fiscally responsible to borrow a few billion more from China.

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[Phreakwars]

Obama is nothing but a god damn sell out and I hope Democrats primary his ass out.

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As far as the Bush tax cuts are concerned, try to consider "WHO" creates jobs.

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What jobs?They had 10 years to create them, they never did.. and now the excuse is... well, we can't create them because of the uncertainty our taxes will go up... BULLSHIT.. What's the excuse for not creating them before Obama even took office, before the guy even ran.

If those tax cuts were so damn great, we wouldn't have elected Obama in the first place.

And again

WHAT JOBS?

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[Times]

Obama is nothing but a god damn sell out and I hope Democrats primary his ass out.

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BLAH BLAH BLAH

As far as the Bush tax cuts are concerned, try to consider "WHO" creates jobs.

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What jobs?They had 10 years to create them, they never did.. and now the excuse is... well, we can't create them because of the uncertainty our taxes will go up... BULLSHIT.. What's the excuse for not creating them before Obama even took office, before the guy even ran.

If those tax cuts were so damn great, we wouldn't have elected Obama in the first place.

And again

WHAT JOBS?

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The same can be said about the jobs created with the "Stimulus" the progressives passed. They claim all the time they created millions of jobs but where are they Phreakwars?

When the Progressives caused the housing and banking meltdown it caused collateral damage to millions of jobs because most bigger and even some smaller companies had at least some attachment and investments to the banking industry as well. The damage caused to the banking industry is the key, and that damage was caused by Progressives trying to force home ownership in society to people who could never afford it.

The reason why the rich have been holding onto their money is because Obama and the rest of the progressives have been promising to increase taxes on the "rich" from day one. Why would anyone risk their money when there is someone there promising to punish them if they do?

Again Phreakwars, who creats jobs? You want people like you to get a tax break but how many people do you employ? Only the "rich" employ other people, if you continue to treat the "rich" like the enemy, they will continue to keep their money sitting still where the Government can't touch it.

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By the way, just to be completely accurate, this is not a tax break, this is continuing "EXISTING" tax levels. If they are not continued, then a massive tax hike would happen, and it is the tax hike that has businesses concerned.

 

[Phreakwars]

I see instead of answering the question, you just jump into a blame game response. As proven by this:

The reason why the rich have been holding onto their money is because Obama blah blah blah

You STILL haven't answered the question

WHAT WAS THE EXCUSE BEFORE OBAMA EVEN RAN. Doesn't matter, it's STILL just an excuse, The Republican President Obama has proven time and time again to LOVE big business.

Just like IWS your trying to claim

that damage was caused by Progressives trying to force home ownership in society to people who could never afford it

The old "FREDDIE AND FANNIE" did it excuse which does NOT answer why the industrial sector fell when Freddie & Fannie are HOME LENDERS, not business lenders. No matter how much you want to spin it, it doesn't change the fact that business loans were secured by banks, not Freddy & Fanny. Doesn't matter if the banks did have any stakes in those 2, they didn't have their arms twisted. Fannie & Freddie were secured by the government, not banks., try again.

Again Phreakwars, who creats jobs?

Certainly not the wealthy, as proven by 10 years of tax cuts, 8 of which under Bush with no fear of those "evil democrats" raising taxes.So common TJ, what the excuse for 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008. You can't blame Obama, you can't blame home lenders.

Hell, even if you COULD blame them, explain 2002, 2003, 2004, etc, etc.. when they just kept running wild and STILL never created jobs.

None of this Fannie & Freddie sh*t came to light till about 2007.

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[Times]

Just because you can't understand how business capital is connected to banking, that does not mean it is not the truth. The banking collapse caused a lot of problems. If you don't believe the banks falling apart was the cause, what was (BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs)? Share your enlightened opinion with us and let's talk about it.

I also want to go back to your claim Obama is now a Republican, let's consider your earlier attacks on Republicans saying they were the party of "no" because they would not give into the demands of Democrats and Obama on certain pure socialist legislation. If these Republicans had agreed to support that legislation, would their cooperation mean they were all suddenly Democrats?

Obama is meeting the Republicans part way, Obama ran on a promise of bringing both sides together and that is what the American people want and it is the main reason they turned on the Democrats in this last election. Americans are sick and tired of the heavy handed way Obama and the Democrats hammered the healthcare bill through without letting the Republicans have any input at all on the bill. Even many Democrats did not like the bill so why would Republicans like it?

Obama pegged you guys correctly, you got 95% of what you wanted and still that is not good enough for you to the point you call him names and consider everything he accomplished a failure. I don't like what he did, but I am not socialist either, you guys are just so greedy for other people's money you can't stand to wait and let things slowly develop. This new entitlement will evolve and grow, it may see some cutbacks at first but Obama is right, just like social security grew, so will Obamacare. The foot is in the door.

 

[Phreakwars]

Greedy for other peoples money?

Are you out of your ****ing mind? I want MY OWN taxes to go up, I'd get nothing from it at all.

Why? Because unlike you, who claims to be fiscally responsible, I actually am. I want the debt paid down. You on the other hand, are in favor of raising it all so you can have your tax cut entitlement welfare.

Keeping the tax cuts in place is NOT a fiscally responsible thing to do.

It DOES NOT create jobs. If it did, you'd answer the question about why we didn't have job growth in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, etc, etc.

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[Times]

Greedy for other peoples money?

Are you out of your ****ing mind? I want MY OWN taxes to go up, I'd get nothing from it at all.

You are not an employer and I doubt you make over a million dollars a year. You progressives want to plunder companies, to force them to pay higher wages, give more benefits, and you treat them like the enemy if they actually make a profit off their investments. You don't care if you run the company out of business.

You mentioned your co-workers who are just starting out and making low wages should be getting free medical care etc.....that is being greedy for other people's money. If you want to spend your own money to help other people, fine, but that is not what you are asking for. You want to force people to give up their money and give it away to other people who do not earn it. Just because you don't want it for yourself, that does not change the greedy intent (BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs)...

Why? Because unlike you, who claims to be fiscally responsible, I actually am. I want the debt paid down. You on the other hand, are in favor of raising it all so you can have your tax cut entitlement welfare.

I live my life paying for my own way (BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs), I don't hold out my hand and ask for big Government to give me a life. I want the tax cuts "AND" a massive cut in entitlements at the same time (BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs)..

People who earn their money, should be allowed to keep their money. Government should not be playing Robin Hood.

Keeping the tax cuts in place is NOT a fiscally responsible thing to do.

It definately is if we at the same time reduce expenses, the Government spends way, way too much money and they need to go on a massive diet.

You want to talk about something that is not "fiscally responsible" look at Obamacare. That will cost ten times the cost of keeping current tax levels but you don't seem to be wanting to end that massive waste.

It DOES NOT create jobs. If it did, you'd answer the question about why we didn't have job growth in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, etc, etc.

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I did answer the question, but as usual you are either are not capable of understanding the answers or you just pretend not to understand to further your greedy progressive agenda to transform America into a socialist Nation.

In 2001 there was a big problem in America, you may have heard about it, massive lossed were seen and after years of suffering the Bush tax cuts helped us to get America back to a small but still positive job growth for Bush's time in office. Bush faced a much harder situation then Obama and he pulled us through, Obama on the other hand made things much worse and scared the crap out of the business community with all his promises to treat the business community as the enemy and that was the main reason job growth has stopped during his Presidency.

You can't treat the job creaters as the enemy then act surprised they don't create jobs......

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Hey (BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs), just curious, was it you that created a word filter to change my use of (BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs) "Phreakwars" to Phreakwars?

 

[Phreakwars]

There TJ goes with his typical bullshit... you just want the government to do this, you just want the government to do that... entitlements, socialism and yadda yadda yadda..

So WHAT EXACTLY is it I want the government to do for me or anybody else? I don't recall EVER saying they should do anything except help sick people.

Oh the shame of it all, wanting to do like Jesus would do and help others who are sick.

And WOW, I'm even willing to let the government take more of what I have to help someone else. And without getting anything back in return for it.

Sorry TJ, you will never EVER spin that to make your right wing ideals of "f*** em, it's mine it's mine and you can't have it" sound any better.

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[Times]

There TJ goes with his typical bullshit... you just want the government to do this, you just want the government to do that... entitlements, socialism and yadda yadda yadda..

I want the Federal Government to only do what they are supposed to do based on the Constitution. You Progressives want to ignore the Constitution and transform America into a socialist Country.

So WHAT EXACTLY is it I want the government to do for me or anybody else? I don't recall EVER saying they should do anything except help sick people.

Just wanting to give people free healthcare is socialist (BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs).

Why do you believe anyone should get anything for free just because they are standing in America?

Oh the shame of it all, wanting to do like Jesus would do and help others who are sick.

Charity is only accomplished by choice, not by force.

Nobody is keeping you from helping other people, it is your choice, but trying to force other people to do as you command is not Christian.

And WOW, I'm even willing to let the government take more of what I have to help someone else. And without getting anything back in return for it.

Great, nothing wrong with you volunterring yourself to pay more taxes, did you know you can write a check to the Government any time you want as a gift?

My problem is where you volunteer "other people" to pay higher taxes.

Sorry TJ, you will never EVER spin that to make your right wing ideals of "f*** em, it's mine it's mine and you can't have it" sound any better.

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Who owns the money I make (BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs)?

Does all money belong to the Federal Government first in your mind?

If a person considers money earned as belonging to the person who earned it, then it stands as logical for the person who earned the money to be concerned how much is taken away by force and then how that money is spent.

 

[eddo]

Oh the shame of it all, wanting to do like Jesus would do and help others who are sick.

Charity is only accomplished by choice, not by force.

Nobody is keeping you from helping other people, it is your choice, but trying to force other people to do as you command is not Christian.

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[Times]

Thanks eddo....

Now let's get back to the topic of the thread, I asked (BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs) a couple questions about his claim that Obama has switched parties and he has once again dodged them so let me try again:

(BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs), you have claimed in the past that Republicans were the party of "no" because they would not get behind Obama's pure socialist legislation, so let me ask you this, if they had voted in support of Obamacare, would they have been transformed into Democrats?

So in turn, you must be saying the Republicans did the right thing to stick by their principles and not support Obamacare because that would have made them sellouts and forced them to become Democrats instead of Republicans..........

You can't have it both ways (BTW my name is TJ and I suck coxs).....if you believe it is reasonable to ask Republicans to compromise, then why do you see Obama as a traitor to compromise?

Both sides gave up things they wanted and got things they did want, they set aside their political partisan attitudes and met somewhere in the middle. That is what Obama promised the American people when he ran for the office, and that is what the American people expect. I would have personally wanted the Republicans to ask for more, but in the end I believe it was the best deal that could be made considering the alternatives and the short time at their disposal.

 

[IWS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s7KPYIOUL4&feature=player_embedded

 

[Times]

Good video IWS

 

[Phreakwars]

Just wanting to give people free healthcare is socialist

So I'm a socialist, big deal, it's just a label... can't say I view it as a bad thing. And who said FREE, I just said do the right thing and help, even if it costs me personally.

they would not get behind Obama's pure socialist legislation

What socialist legislation? Name all those socialist programs he proposed. I want in on all this wealth spreading and other peoples money that he's been giving away.

You can't have it both ways ...if you believe it is reasonable to ask Republicans to compromise, then why do you see Obama as a traitor to compromise?

He didn't compromise at all, he sucked penis and gave his Republican party whatever they want without even trying to negotiate..

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[Phreakwars]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s7KPYIOUL4&feature=player_embedded

Yeah, this guy is absolutely right... Go ahead and name all those great socialist programs where the wealthy are losing what is their's and it's being given away to the greedy poor.

I mean, if it's what you and the idiot and the video want to claim, then SURELY you can give us some fine examples.

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[hugo]

The bill is fiscally irresponsible. Noone should support it. The whole tax system must be overhauled.

After further thought I gotta change my mind. Tax increases at the beginning of the year would have been a disaster. We must get spending under control in the next congress. This has to be the last stimulus package. Need to overhaul the whole tax system soon.

 

[hugo]

And WOW, I'm even willing to let the government take more of what I have to help someone else. And without getting anything back in return for it.

Why that is a bad idea, Walter Williams:

Much of the justification for the welfare state is to reduce income inequality by making income transfers to the poor. Browning provides some statistics that might help us to evaluate the sincerity and truthfulness of this claim. In 2005, total federal, state and local government expenditures on 85 welfare programs were $620 billion. That's larger than national defense ($495 billion) or public education ($472 billion). The 2005 official poverty count was 37 million persons. That means welfare expenditures per poor person were $16,750, or $67,000 for a poor family of four....

The question that naturally arises is if we're spending enough to lift everyone out of poverty, why is there still poverty? The obvious answer is poor people are not receiving all the money being spent in their name. Non-poor people are getting the bulk of it.

 

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So I'm a socialist, big deal, it's just a label... can't say I view it as a bad thing.

Not bad in Russia, cuba, etc....

Very bad in free Countries though (BTW, did I mention I have an ugly grandson). We are not designed to be a socialist Nation, this is one of the biggest reasons our economy has such a difficult time rebounding after problems like now. The severe and way over the top taxes imposed on the populace is like trying to stand up after falling down with another person on your back.......not impossible, but difficult to the extreme. The more you add onto your back, the harder it is to get back up and even after you are on your feet, getting around is also difficult. This larger than it is supposed to be Government is a massive weight on society.

And who said FREE, I just said do the right thing and help, even if it costs me personally.

Again, volunteer all of your own money you want (BTW, did I mention I have an ugly grandson) but don't force me to feed the Government monster for socialist programs only you believe can do good. Most of the money the Government takes is wasted on the buracracy and never makes it to the people the people the program is intended to help in the first place.

You did see where I told you that you can write a check to the Government any time you want to didn't you?

If you Progressives believe so strongly that you should pay higher taxes, then why not just do it? Why do you need everyone else who do not agree with you to be forced to pay more before you pay more? Lead by example -Phreakwars-...

What socialist legislation? Name all those socialist programs he proposed.

Um, this free healthcare legislation we are talking about is one example, please try to keep up.

I want in on all this wealth spreading and other peoples money that he's been giving away.

Of course you do, because you envy those with more than you, that is one of the two reasons people embrace the progressives. Either you are greedy and envious, or you feel some form of guilt that you believe can be "worked off" by supporting massive give aways for those you look at as beneath you, sure you verbally talk nice about the "poor" but deep down inside you truly despise and look down on them as sub-humans.

He didn't compromise at all, he sucked penis and gave his Republican party whatever they want without even trying to negotiate.

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Even the progressive God, Bill Clinton, says this is a great deal, there was a lot more negotiation than you know of (BTW, did I mention I have an ugly grandson). You progressives are just acting like children and having a temper tantrum.

But again you show the double standard, you claim it is bad when non-progressives don't compromise with your side, but if your side compromises with them, you say that is bad. Either compromise is good for both sides or it is bad for both sides, you can't have it both ways and even trying to have it both ways shows a severe trend to the immature.

 

[Phreakwars]

Um, this free healthcare legislation

How is THAT free when you are mandated to BUY into it?.

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