What the Mega-Mosque at Ground Zero Means to Worldwide Islam

[IWS]

We just don't know enough about where the financing is coming from for this place, and do know enough about the guy pushing for it.

 

[IWS]

 

[IWS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olEn-PGA7eY

 

[hugo]

August 09, 2010

Muslims Speak Out Against the Ground Zero Mosque

Eileen F. Toplansky

In the Ottawa Citizen published on August 7, 2010, two Canadian Muslims write that "Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation." Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, both authors in their own right, sit on the board of the Muslim Canadian Congress.

They ponder the "reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicenter of the worst-ever attack on the U.S." and wonder "why its proponents don't built a monument to those who died in the attack." Furthermore, it is not as if there are no Islamic centers of worship in New York City. The Islamic Society-Mid Manhattan is located on 55th Street. On the google map page there is an additional listing of nearby places of Islamic interest. Then there is the Islamic Cultural Center of New York on Third Avenue which caters to the Upper East Side and then there is the Assata Islamic Center at 172 Allen Street in lower Manhattan.

Raza and Fatah go on to say that "we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran."

From their Islamic perspective, these two authors state that "the Koran commands Muslims to "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" ~ i.e., Jews and Christians. Yet, Raza and Fatah state that to build a mosque at "the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive."

Like many others, Raza and Fatah want to know where the funding is coming from. They state that if "Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not."

In fact, both writers "passed on this message to [Rauf] through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer." Furthermore, they write that [Rauf] "could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to."

They consider it a "repugnant thought that $100 million" would be spent [in building this New York City mosque] instead of sending it to "dying and needy Muslims in Darfur or Pakistan." "As Muslims," Raza and Fatah, "are dismayed that [their] co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth [sic] the pain."

While Raza and Fatah "understand [bloomberg's] and other liberals goodwill, they maintain that the "stand is based on ignorance and guilt, and [liberals] will never in their lives have to face the tyranny of Islamism that targets, kills and maims Muslims worldwide, and is using liberalism itself to destroy liberal secular democratic societies from within."

One should ponder the last statement carefully. If Americans do not educate themselves about the horrors of sharia law, and begin to consider the dangers of a dual legal system in this country, then, in fact, we will face the genuine tyranny of Islamofasciam that is currently enveloping the world. Sharia law was thwarted in Canada because of the very concerns that Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah discuss but it is critically undermining Great Britain.

 

[snafu]

August 09, 2010

Muslims Speak Out Against the Ground Zero Mosque

Eileen F. Toplansky

In the Ottawa Citizen published on August 7, 2010, two Canadian Muslims write that "Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation." Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, both authors in their own right, sit on the board of the Muslim Canadian Congress.

They ponder the "reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicenter of the worst-ever attack on the U.S." and wonder "why its proponents don't built a monument to those who died in the attack." Furthermore, it is not as if there are no Islamic centers of worship in New York City. The Islamic Society-Mid Manhattan is located on 55th Street. On the google map page there is an additional listing of nearby places of Islamic interest. Then there is the Islamic Cultural Center of New York on Third Avenue which caters to the Upper East Side and then there is the Assata Islamic Center at 172 Allen Street in lower Manhattan.

Raza and Fatah go on to say that "we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as "Fitna," meaning "mischief-making" that is clearly forbidden in the Koran."

From their Islamic perspective, these two authors state that "the Koran commands Muslims to "Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book" ~ i.e., Jews and Christians. Yet, Raza and Fatah state that to build a mosque at "the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive."

Like many others, Raza and Fatah want to know where the funding is coming from. They state that if "Rauf is serious about building bridges, then he could have dedicated space in this so-called community centre to a church and synagogue, but he did not."

In fact, both writers "passed on this message to [Rauf] through a mutual Saudi friend, but received no answer." Furthermore, they write that [Rauf] "could have proposed a memorial to the 9/11 dead with a denouncement of the doctrine of armed jihad, but he chose not to."

They consider it a "repugnant thought that $100 million" would be spent [in building this New York City mosque] instead of sending it to "dying and needy Muslims in Darfur or Pakistan." "As Muslims," Raza and Fatah, "are dismayed that [their] co-religionists have such little consideration for their fellow citizens and wish to rub salt in their wounds and pretend they are applying a balm to sooth [sic] the pain."

While Raza and Fatah "understand [bloomberg's] and other liberals goodwill, they maintain that the "stand is based on ignorance and guilt, and [liberals] will never in their lives have to face the tyranny of Islamism that targets, kills and maims Muslims worldwide, and is using liberalism itself to destroy liberal secular democratic societies from within."

One should ponder the last statement carefully. If Americans do not educate themselves about the horrors of sharia law, and begin to consider the dangers of a dual legal system in this country, then, in fact, we will face the genuine tyranny of Islamofasciam that is currently enveloping the world. Sharia law was thwarted in Canada because of the very concerns that Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah discuss but it is critically undermining Great Britain.

May Allah bless them and others that can see this..

 

[IWS]

http://weaselzippers.us/2010/08/09/moderate-muslim-raheel-raza-speaks-out-against-ground-zero-mosque-on-o%E2%80%99reilly/

 

[IWS]

 

[IWS]

I?m announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.

This is not a joke. I?ve already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.

As you know, the Muslim faith doesn?t look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I?m building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.

The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps ? but still want to dance.

30. Honor Drillings

29. Jihard

28. Filthy Omar?s Rusty Trombone

27. The Arabian Queen

26. Dune Biters

25. Goat?s Night Off

24. The Pink Prophet

23. The Leather Burqa

22. Git Mo

21. Pig in a Poke

20. Sheiks & Freaks

19. Sodom and Gonorrhea

18. Osama Bin Dover

17. The Exploding Goat

16. Weapons of Ass Destruction

15. Alla Assbar

14. Anderson Cooper?s Apartment

13. The Sticky Prophet

12. The Sphinxter

11. Grind Zero

10. Nuclear Fuel Rods

9. Hassan?s TestostoRoom

8. Turbuns

7. Bunker Busters

6. The Tali-bone

5. Al-Jizzera

4. The Gaza Stripper

3. The Sandy Gerbil

2. The Camel?s Hump

1. Hide the Minaret

 

[Builder]

Nice sympathetic reply IWS.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.htm

Like I've said all along, controlled demolition bought those buildings down.

Muslims are taking the piss out of Americans for being duped by their own govt.

 

[*Chi*]

Nice sympathetic reply IWS.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.htm

Like I've said all along, controlled demolition bought those buildings down.

Muslims are taking the piss out of Americans for being duped by their own govt.

This is the first time, I have to TOTALLY disagree with you, and think that you've lost it, Builder. I guess the US govt. also hired Osama Bin Laden and his cronies to accept responsibility for 9/11 and so many other attacks and attempted attacks, hired all of the suicide bombers, etc. Psycho Muslims also don't exist, but are a creation and master plan of the USA to take over the world!

 

[snafu]

Nice sympathetic reply IWS.

http://911research.w...ve_residues.htm

Like I've said all along, controlled demolition bought those buildings down.

Muslims are taking the piss out of Americans for being duped by their own govt.

This is the first time, I have to TOTALLY disagree with you, and think that you've lost it, Builder. I guess the US govt. also hired Osama Bin Laden and his cronies to accept responsibility for 9/11 and so many other attacks and attempted attacks, hired all of the suicide bombers, etc. Psycho Muslims also don't exist, but are a creation and master plan of the USA to take over the world!

Well right on Chi!

 

[IWS]

I love how the moronic truthers are the people who go around saying nothing but how Bush and his administration are so stupid, the least intelligent administration of all time, but in the same breath expect people to believe that they pulled off the most elaborate ruse in the history of mankind.

Can you say, whack-jobs.

 

[Times]

Nice sympathetic reply IWS.

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.htm

Like I've said all along, controlled demolition bought those buildings down.

Muslims are taking the piss out of Americans for being duped by their own govt.

More and more you prove how you have no real education or connection to reality and only spout what you get from anti-american and socialist circles.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842

That link crushes most of the biggest myths associated with 9/11 and anyone with a honest and open mind can see how logical each of these points are made.

But, like IWS just pointed out, how is it everyone says Bush was stupid but pulled off something like this while the great and wonderful Bill Clinton could not get away with having sex with miss piggy in the Whitehouse where his greatest power resided?

Use a little bit of common sense, for this to have happened countless of thousands of people would have had to be in on the coverup. Who do you think would have installed the bombs? Bush himself? Some other rich guy wanting to manipulate things? No, regular guys, human beings not in the possition to control great power would have been needed and those people really have nothing to gain. If you were asked to plant those bombs would you do it?

How many hands would an order like that filter through before it made it to the guys doing the work?

How many chances for the truth to leak?

This is the age of the snitch, if Clinton can't play 'hide the cigar' with a fat chick in his office without the world finding out about it, I believe it is close to impossible for anything to remain silent for very long. Imagine how much value would be attached to any real fact that proved 9/11 was an inside job?

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On topic, Omana says this is a question of rights, and how the Muslims have the legal right to build what they want, where they want but how about the freedom of speach? Do we have unfettered freedom of speach? Are any controlls applied to limit this freedom? It is okay to talk about bombs on an airplane? Can you yell out 'fire' in a crowded theater?

Should we build strip clubs next to elementary schools?

Abortion clinics next to a daycare facility?

This building has one intent, to place a victory marker as close to the greatest successful attack in the history of radical Islam.

 

[hugo]

The 1st:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereofor abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

It would be ubconstitutional to prevent a mosque from going up on the false pretense that the old building was of historical value. The constitution even protects scum.

 

[Phreakwars]

 

[IWS]

This guy shows why, if you don't understand the First Amendment, you shouldn't be allowed to speak.

 

[IWS]

 

[Builder]

This guy shows why, if you don't understand the First Amendment, you shouldn't be allowed to speak.

What's wrong, IWS? Freedom of speech not allowed?

Bloody classic, Phreakwars. Thanks. :thumbsup:

 

[Builder]

I love how the moronic truthers are the people who go around saying nothing but how Bush and his administration are so stupid, the least intelligent administration of all time, but in the same breath expect people to believe that they pulled off the most elaborate ruse in the history of mankind.

Can you say, whack-jobs.

Can you say, lying through my arse?

Bush looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights. Even managed to say he saw the first plane hit, not knowing that footage of that incident was not on the air.

Rickie Cheney did the hard yards. Wouldn't be surprised if he kept the prez in the dark.

 

[IWS]

We?re beginning to get the impression that Finnish research isn?t everything it?s cracked up to be. Not only can we not name too many? um, prominent Finnish researchers, but the only one making a name for herself these days seems to be very bad at both math and research.Tuula Sakaranaho is an academic who has attempted to compare abortion clinic violence with Islamic terrorism (in the hope that Islam and Christianity will be thought of as either equally bad or equally good). Her conclusion is that since Christians have killed over abortion without anyone making assumptions about their religion, the same latitude should be extended to Islam and terror:

?If someone in America bombs an abortion clinic or kills abortion doctors, no one will ask us how can you Christians you do something like that,? states Sakaranaho. ?You can?t blame me for what another person does. But that?s the way the idea works, that every Muslim is responsible for what every other Muslim does in the world?. (
http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2010/04/finnish-researcher-on-islam-compares.htmlTundra Tabloids
http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2010/04/finnish-researcher-on-islam-compares.html)
Sounds OK from 30,000 feet, but what happens when we drill down to the details?

For the sake of brevity, let?s forget for the moment that Christians don?t act like Christ when they kill, while the same can?t necessarily be said of Muslims following the example of Muhammad. Ignore as well that some of these ?Christian? killers (such as Eric Rudolph) don?t seem all that religious, even as Muslim terrorists yell praises to Allah as they bomb, behead, stab and shoot. As Osama bin Laden (the world?s most famous Muslim) put it, ?Our primary mission is nothing but the furthering of this religion.?

Instead of all this, let?s just go straight to the numbers.

in the 37 years since Roe V. Wade, there have been 8 persons murdered by anti-abortionists . This isn?t even comparable to the number of folks struck by lightning or killed in their own bathtubs each year. It?s more like the number of people struck by lightening while sitting in their bathtub watching Gigli.

By contrast, TheReligionofPeace.com has documented over 83,000 persons murdered by Islamic terrorists in just the last 8.5 years. In other words, more than three times as many people are killed in the name of Allah each day than have been killed in the cause of stopping abortion in the last four decades.

Worse, radical Islam was racking up bodies at an even faster rate prior to 9/11. Throw in the 75,000 killed in Kashmir, the 150,000 killed in Algeria, the 1.5 million victims of Jihad in the Sudan and the hundreds of thousands of Hindus slaughtered in Bangladesh and Pakistan? and suddenly we?re looking at some real kinkiness when it comes to pretending that this is even remotely comparable to eight lives over the same 37-year period.

We aren?t sure what sort of statistical analysis training they offer in Finland, but over here in the States, when your best ratio of comparison is

45,000 to 1, about the last thing you can conclude is that there is any sort of equivalence afoot.

Sakaranaho is right in that every Muslim isn?t responsible for what every other Muslim does. But that hardly qualifies as cutting-edge discovery. Against numbers like these, what an honest researcher would really be asking herself is why one religion manages to behave itself while the other does not.

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=33212