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Oh hey, let me take apart your argument thusly:If it isn't a mosque then how is it protected under the First Amendment?Uh, what? So building a COMMUNITY CENTER THAT ISN'T ACTUALLY ON THE 'HALLOWED GROUND' OF THE WTC is the same as our limiting "free speech" so that it doesn't endanger lives? Oh, bet you didn't actually know that, did you? That it's A COMMUNITY CENTER? Thought I'd relay that to you.I don't think so, we limit freedom of speach as I pointed out before because yelling bomb in an airplane because of it's severe and out of the normal negative potential. The right to own land is set aside for "the greater good" and the Government can take your land away and give it to someone else to build a Casino.The 1st:
It would be ubconstitutional to prevent a mosque from going up on the false pretense that the old building was of historical value. The constitution even protects scum.Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereofor abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
How do you think people would react if we wanted to build monuments in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to the Engola Gay and President Truman?
But seriously, how do the two actually correlate? Your 'limiting of free speech' stops people from possibly dying. We have such things in place for a reason. Mind you, that's not necessarily 'free speech', as much as it is 'attempted murder'.
Building a community center a few blocks away from somewhere that was destroyed by people claiming to be part of some religion? Not a hate crime, not murder (or any offshoot thereof), and NOT illegal. For instance, if I wanted to build a Christian Church 3 blocks away from the site of the OK City Bombing, would anybody object? If a vegetarian killed some meat eaters down the street, would anybody care if I grew a garden in my front yard? No, because we as rational human beings DO HAVE THE ABILITY to determine that what one person does has no bearing on the thoughts of another.
There will always be people who are insane, and take things too far. What banner they do this under is inconsequential. We, as RATIONAL people have to see that a few mentally unstable human beings aren't necessarily representative of a whole group.
An interesting look at the debate...
Again. You need to do some research. Nobody is saying they can't build the mosque there or they don't have the "R"ight to build the mosque there. The debate is over it being the "r"ight thing to do.
If it's not a mosque, then what's the issue? Oh look, that's EXACTLY my point. Why the hell do people care?
And why is it the wrong thing to do? Tell me this. Why (in a factual way, with legal arguments, without opinions) is it wrong to put it there?
The answer: It's not. They've followed zoning laws, they've done everything correctly that they need to do.
You and the rest of the people who think that it's 'wrong' are looking at it as if it's offensive. Why are you offended? Did those specific Muslims who are putting this here kill your family? Are they responsible for 9/11? Did they personally fly the planes into the buildings? Are they terrorists? No. They are/did none of these things. You're simply having a kneejerk reaction to the fact that people, under the banner of radicalism, attacked our country. Those same people claimed to be working for Allah, and were saying that we're evil. That Western society is to blame for evil and naked women and whatever other problems we supposedly create. They claimed to be Islamic. And we've established that they are nutcases. And so people, essentially unrelated to them in almost every way try to build a community center near something they had absolutely no part of, and you're OFFENDED? Why shouldn't they be offended that you're blaming them for the mistakes of others? Hey, all white Christians are going to blow up buildings because Tim McVay did. sh*t, we'd better make sure they don't build Christian churches anywhere, lest we offend somebody...oh, wait, if someone put that argument up to the same people opposing the community center for the SAME EXACT REASONS, they would be LAUGHED AT. "Why, you can't blame all of us for the few who cause problems," the white Christians would say. "But those Muslims, they're all terrorists. I firmly believe this." The lack of logic in this situation is mindblowing. The people putting up the community center did nothing to you. They did nothing to your family. They did nothing to America. How do you know that 9/11 didn't similarly affect them? They might have had family in that building. Friends in there. How can you even think, for one second, that they didn't suffer as you did, simply because they are Muslim? They're still Americans. The fact that you can seriously tell an American, "No, we don't want you building here because people in no way related to you, and associated by dubious claim, attacked your country," says something. It really does. It's disgusting. Truly disgusting.